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Post by newpackman on Nov 7, 2007 19:58:19 GMT -5
Well it's the closest event to cross-country, and it might be the best time to descuss it after seeing what guys can do. I'm just putting together my top 8 not really my prediction, just some guys.
1. Brian Peterson-Impressive race at state.
2. Logan Block-Well if he gets healthy he'll be right up front.
3. Graham Morris-Proved he can run with the best of em at state.
4. Matt Paarlberg-Opened alot of eyes in the post season, now he's a favorite.
5. Matt Feldhake-He may run with a chip on his sholder and this might help as he goes for the win.
6. Jordan Patterson-Like Paarlberg he's really showen what he can do durring the state series.
7. Mike Miroux-I don't know who this kid is, but he ran really well at state.
8. Mike Carwly-He sufferd a major injury this offseason (feel of a two story building) but he has some time to get it back.
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Post by ramsrunner3 on Nov 7, 2007 22:23:23 GMT -5
I don't think Crawley will be able to bounce back from such an injury like that, but it would be a great story. Shame he didn't run cross.
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Post by huttorunner4life on Nov 8, 2007 0:21:04 GMT -5
looking at results from last year and cross times this year I'm going to say that this is my post cross country prediction:
1.Peterson
2.Emerick
3.Tedrick
4.Block
5.Feldhake
6.Patterson
7.Morris
8.Miroux
9.Carlson
H.M. Guin, List, Paarlberg (what event does he do?), Pacey (3200?), Camp
also i'd say top 9 go under 9:40
did sandro mazza do cross? he was 13th last year in the 3200. i didn't see any results
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Post by ramsrunner3 on Nov 8, 2007 12:45:19 GMT -5
Also, look out for any Montecello runners like Rhodes, Clark, or even Hollingsworth to run the 3200 pending on how Coach Butler sets up his 4 X 800 team.
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Post by drunforfun on Nov 8, 2007 13:20:11 GMT -5
looking at results from last year and cross times this year I'm going to say that this is my post cross country prediction: 1.Peterson 2.Emerick 3.Tedrick 4.Block 5.Feldhake 6.Patterson 7.Morris 8.Miroux 9.Carlson H.M. Guin, List, Paarlberg (what event does he do?), Pacey (3200?), Camp also i'd say top 9 go under 9:40 did sandro mazza do cross? he was 13th last year in the 3200. i didn't see any results |
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Post by drunforfun on Nov 8, 2007 13:22:29 GMT -5
I believe Paarlberg was part of Beecher's 4x3200 relay last spring.
I think they came in 5th at the State Finals.
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Post by newpackman on Nov 8, 2007 14:58:35 GMT -5
Just guessing, but I'd say Monticello will got with Rhodes, Clark, Hollingsworth, and Foley at the state meet. This is the same team they ran last year. Hollingsworth made state last year in the 3200, but he didn't run it at state. I said something about him on the 1600 (hard to say what anybody is running right now) but Kyle Harvey from Sullivan is also a very soild runner who doesn't do cross.
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Post by circuit on Nov 8, 2007 15:03:40 GMT -5
Monticello's 4x800 will be formidible. Possibly capable of duplicating their 2006 championship team
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Post by newpackman on Nov 8, 2007 16:37:40 GMT -5
Not the same time, but the championship might happen. Should get intresting. Redemption who is running the 4X8 for you guys?
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Post by tc on Nov 8, 2007 17:38:33 GMT -5
Definitely have to throw Colin Mickow in there. He had a really impressive time at State XC.
Also, i think it is important to note that anybody who tries to double in the 32 & 16 will only show terrible performances in both races. Last year I saw people try to double and it only bit them in the ass in the end. Focusing on one or the other is the best idea. What do you guys think about doubling at state?
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Post by youknow on Nov 8, 2007 18:02:19 GMT -5
Who, in recent memory, has been able to make all state in both the 1600 and 3200m?
The only runner that stands out in my mind is Shawn Lucas from Elgin St. Edward. 2002? That kid was a monster! If I am not mistaken he was also all state in the 800 that year, as well.
Last year was one of the slowest 3200m finals in recent memory, too. 10:03 made all state. I'm going to go out on a limb and say it will be a touch faster this spring.
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Post by badkarma96 on Nov 8, 2007 18:43:48 GMT -5
Who, in recent memory, has been able to make all state in both the 1600 and 3200m? The only runner that stands out in my mind is Shawn Lucas from Elgin St. Edward. 2002? That kid was a monster! If I am not mistaken he was also all state in the 800 that year, as well. Last year was one of the slowest 3200m finals in recent memory, too. 10:03 made all state. I'm going to go out on a limb and say it will be a touch faster this spring. Jeremy Stevens, Scott Krapf, Tyler Bradford and Clay Staley all did it in 2006. No one did it last track season though. |
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Post by ramsrunner3 on Nov 8, 2007 20:27:02 GMT -5
couple other runners capable of being all-state in the 3200 is Doug Powers from Cumberland, Jeremy Reel from Stew-Stras, and maybe Clayton Baker from Shelbyville.
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Post by benmanion on Nov 8, 2007 20:38:04 GMT -5
youknow - you are right about Lucas. I would say he had a pretty good day!
2nd Shawn Lucas (Sr.), Elgin (St. Edward) 9:34.44
5th Shawn Lucas (Sr.), Elgin (St. Edward) 1:59.36
7th Shawn Lucas (Sr.), Elgin (St. Edward) 4:29.67
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Post by newpackman on Nov 8, 2007 22:22:32 GMT -5
Reel is a good catch, Powers always seems to come through at the end of the year as well. I don't think Baker can be all state, and I also think he'll be on Shelbyville's 4X8 if I had to guess.
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Post by dbandre on Nov 8, 2007 23:17:44 GMT -5
Monticello's 4x800 will be formidible. Possibly capable of duplicating their 2006 championship team I think Coach Butler is an amazing coach, but it if this team is anywhere within 3s of that record Coach Butler is God. I don't think they have 4 guys who can go 1:57 on the second day of state. They'll probably be 7:58-7:59ish which should challenge for the title in that race. If I was coach Butler and I am not that good, I wouldn't race any of my guys in the 3200 and go after the victory in the 4x8 and try to see if they can grab up some points in the 8 and 16. I am not certain what he's got in his other events, but a good relay and jumper would give them a trophy shot. |
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Post by dbandre on Nov 8, 2007 23:20:07 GMT -5
This is a very deep field for class A, don't know about anyone getting Jeremy's record, but it should be a competitive race regardless.
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Post by kcor on Nov 9, 2007 9:55:21 GMT -5
1 Feldhake
2 C. Mickow
3 Block
4 Peterson
5 Emerick
6 Tedrick
7 H. Mickow
8 Patterson
9 Nelson
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Post by newpackman on Nov 9, 2007 10:00:14 GMT -5
Stevens's record is safe this year. Also on the side of Monticello they have a soild sprinter I'm pretty sure. Butler will run his top guys in the 4x8, and probably not anybody in the 3200. He'll also try and run Rhodes, Clark(depending on how he comes back from injury) and Hollingsworth in some combination in the 8 and 16. Clark also has the speed to run the 400 (not championship speed, but maybe make finals) and Butler has shown in the past he'll sacrifices his runners running well in there usaully event to get more points at state. (See Phelps in 2006)
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Post by circuit on Nov 9, 2007 14:29:35 GMT -5
dbandre: I meant that Monticello might duplicate the place of their 2006 team, not the time.
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Post by tc on Nov 9, 2007 17:04:33 GMT -5
Yeah, the 32 will definitely be a strategic race. There are too many guys in that lead pack. Strategic races aren't fun. It always comes down to how will take the lead and who has the kick.
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Post by newpackman on Nov 9, 2007 18:59:16 GMT -5
Well tc cause you said it, anybody think Parker Thompson will try for the 3200 crown as well? I know they have one other really good kid over at Tremont (Boyle?), but will they have enough for a strong 4X8? If it's tactical then the race favors Parker. He can do just what he did at state cross, just sit and run everybody over in the end. I know it's along shot, but what does the board think?
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Post by tc on Nov 9, 2007 21:08:58 GMT -5
I think he will stick with the 8 and 16. Those are his babies. Besides he is the clear cut favorite in those two. In the 32 he could win, but he is not head and shoulders above everyone else.
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Post by newpackman on Nov 9, 2007 21:42:21 GMT -5
Why is he not head and sholders favoirte? You can't say the distance is a factor, cause he just won state in cross. Also I'd say his most vulnarabule event is the 8. Somebody has a good day and drops just three secounds they take him out.
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Post by dbandre on Nov 9, 2007 23:22:38 GMT -5
His most vulnerable event is the 3200m in track season, because to win it he would specifically have to train to win it, although I am certain he would do well regardless. Pulling off a triple is nearly impossible. I think he has a chance to take down that state meet 800m record. He could probably get 1600 and 3200 records too, but he's the one who has to choose his battles wisely.
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Post by illini1 on Nov 9, 2007 23:23:15 GMT -5
Also I'd say his most vulnarabule event is the 8. Somebody has a good day and drops just three secounds they take him out. FYI "Just" three seconds?  3 seconds in the 800 is a HUGE amount of time when we're talking all the guys in the finals being sub-2:00 and moving at roughly 6-7 meters per second. |
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Post by tc on Nov 10, 2007 0:30:58 GMT -5
You also have to remember that track is an entirely different game. Track has a different mind set when running. I didn't say that Parker was terrible, I just think that guys like Peterson, emerick, and block are more suited for the 32 and it shows. The 32 is entirely different from the 8 and 16.
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Post by benmanion on Nov 10, 2007 7:44:01 GMT -5
I would agree that track is a different animal. However, I do think that PT can run a quality 3200 (he ran 9:36 last year). That makes him a contender.
However, there are a number of guys coming back that will challenge for the title. Tedrick, Feldhake, Peterson, Emerick, Patterson, Paarlberg, Guinn, (not too mention Mickow who ran a very good race in cross). I think there will be a number of guys that can break 10 this year, but I think what may set this year apart is the number of guys that will go under 9:30. If Parker runs the 3200 I will say that at least 6 guys will (can) go under 9:30, which would make it the fastest 3200 in A that I can ever remember.
It could not just be the fastest, but potentially even the deepest 3200 in a long time if not all time. For comparative purposes I looked back over the past 10 years and two years stand out (2002 and 2005) here is what those years looked like:
2002 - 18 guys broke 10, 13 were under 9:50, 12 were 9:42 or better, 6 under 9:40
2005 - 19 were under 10, 13 were under 9:50, 7 were 9:40 or better and 4 were under 9:30
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Post by jmontxc on Nov 10, 2007 11:18:59 GMT -5
Just to put it out there myself (montgomery) is considering the 2 mile this year if we dont have a shot at state in the 4x8 ! Im also doing the mile for shur !
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Post by newpackman on Nov 10, 2007 19:03:32 GMT -5
J-Mont, don't you guys have a shot in the 4X8?
Also ok let's not say 3 sec, will say 1 sec, and it's still the same thing. Zebe is the number two returner and he's got a real shot at Parker.
Also the fastest 3200 I can remember in A history is just two years ago when Stevens went 9:10 to win it.
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