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Post by sparky791 on Nov 6, 2007 9:01:36 GMT -5
Top 25 Returning Individuals for 2008
1. Parker Thompson Tremont Jr 14:49
5. Matt Paarlberg Beecher Jr 15:09
7. Graham Morris Lawrenceville Jr 15:16
8. Sean Smith Winnebago Jr 15:17
13. Tom Pacey P.-Buckley-Loda) So 15:28
15. Mitchell List Mason City (Illini Central) So 15:38
16. Jake Trancoso (Newman Central Catho Fr 15:38
17. Justin Rehfeldt (R. Christian) Fr 15:39
22. Lucas Loots Staunton Jr 15:43 5:15
26. Drew Johnson Winnebago So 15:49
27. Brice Dodds Tolono (Unity) Jr 15:50
29. Malcom Taylor Urbana (University) Jr 15:58
31. David Steckel Carrollton Jr 16:00 5:20
32. Doug Vrchota Elmwood So 16:00
33. Nathan DeVenney (Bureau Valley) Fr 16:01
34. Ethan Stephenson (PORTA) Jr 16:01
36. Clayton Baker Shelbyville Fr 16:05
38. Justin Montgomery Robinson Jr 16:05
39. Tony Young Elmwood So 16:07
40. John Boyle Tremont Jr 16:08
42. Eric Dewey Polo Jr 16:10
43. Kasey Potts Woodhull (AlWood) Jr 16:11
44. 25 John Reasor Westmont Jr 16:11
46. 26 Hunter Davis Carlinville Jr 16:12
47. 27 Kiefer Heiman Nashville So 16:12
Looks like Parker Thompson's race to lose. 20 second gap on next best returning runners.
15 juniors return
6 sophomores
4 freshman
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Post by benmanion on Nov 6, 2007 9:07:42 GMT -5
True, but I would keep an eye on a couple of the underclassmen. They may mature quite a bit physically between now and then next year and you just never know.
These guys are either Sophs or Freshmen - Pacey, Kist, Trancoso, Rehfeldt, Johnson, Vrchota, Baker and could show big improvements.
I also wouldn't count out Paarlberg and Morris. No question Thompson is the favorite, but these two guys could especially challenge him.
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Post by dacse on Nov 6, 2007 12:46:37 GMT -5
I think Pinkston from Robinson will be a top 15 guy next year. He has improved a ton from last year (wasn't in Robinson's top seven last year, and ran 16:24 at the Peoria invite this year). Plus, I think cross country is his blood. His older sisters have all been great runners in the past.
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Post by rt20 on Nov 6, 2007 13:02:02 GMT -5
And Reel, from Shelbyville, would be on there if wasn't sick the week of state.
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Post by newpackman on Nov 6, 2007 16:53:49 GMT -5
Yeah I wouldn't say Parker can't be beat, but he is the heavy favorite right now. Pacey is the guy I'm really intested in seeing next year. He might have reached peak development now (he did have a full bread as a freshman), and it will just be wiether or not he can stay healthy, and just keep improving.
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Post by xcndns on Nov 6, 2007 18:29:11 GMT -5
I think after watching Morris run form Lawrenceville he will definitly be in the mix for the state title. He runs track but i think the High school doesn't even have a track to train on. His coaches are going to up his training this year, they have used a gentle increase in his mileage each year, to have him ready for his senior year. L-ville has a fine Freshman in Leighty he did not start running until middle of August. I have heard he has the running bug now and wants to train so we will see. Summer training is everything!!!!
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Post by passyou on Nov 6, 2007 19:48:48 GMT -5
marquette's rorem and scromme might have a chance at making all-state next year
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Post by oldskool on Nov 7, 2007 13:26:41 GMT -5
Something to consider is the fact that Delavan may be single-A next year. Their three-school coop is only 20 students over the A/AA enrollment line. They lose Jeff Camp next year, but return the rest of their top 4 runners. Will Cross, a freshman, ran 15:51 in the AA race, and Kody Nelson ran 15:41 after getting staples put in his head (from bumping it pretty badly) the day before. Ethan Jeffires, who is typically right with Cross, ran 16:09. I wonder if that would stir the pot a bit if they indeed did drop down to single-A.
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Post by sparky791 on Nov 7, 2007 14:02:47 GMT -5
Something to consider is the fact that Delavan may be single-A next year. Their three-school coop is only 20 students over the A/AA enrollment line. They lose Jeff Camp next year, but return the rest of their top 4 runners. Will Cross, a freshman, ran 15:51 in the AA race, and Kody Nelson ran 15:41 after getting staples put in his head (from bumping it pretty badly) the day before. Ethan Jeffires, who is typically right with Cross, ran 16:09. I wonder if that would stir the pot a bit if they indeed did drop down to single-A. Yes it would. They would be an instant contender. That would give them three all-state contenders. But, a 20 student drop is quite a bit in one year. Will know in the spring. They usually put enrollments up in may for the next year. |
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Post by runningonempty on Nov 7, 2007 14:50:45 GMT -5
Twenty is a large drop for one school, but it is a three school coop which makes it a easy possiblility.
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Post by oldskool on Nov 7, 2007 15:16:49 GMT -5
It is most definitely a possibility when Midwest Central is more than 50% of the coop's enrollment. It is not unlikely that their enrollment drops 10 students, and Delavan and Hartsburg-Emden each lose 5.
On top of that, I'm not sure how long the contract runs for these three to coop for cross country. All of the Delavan runners were from both Hartem and Delavan, with none from MW-C.
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Post by sparky791 on Nov 7, 2007 16:08:35 GMT -5
It is most definitely a possibility when Midwest Central is more than 50% of the coop's enrollment. It is not unlikely that their enrollment drops 10 students, and Delavan and Hartsburg-Emden each lose 5. On top of that, I'm not sure how long the contract runs for these three to coop for cross country. All of the Delavan runners were from both Hartem and Delavan, with none from MW-C. According to Ihsa the coop is done in 2008. Take out Midwest Central and just coop Hartem and Delavan and everything is fine. |
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Post by dbandre on Nov 7, 2007 19:03:17 GMT -5
Look out for these two compared to the last 3 state champions as Freshmen.
16. Jake Trancoso (Newman Central Catho Fr 15:38
17. Justin Rehfeldt (R. Christian) Fr 15:39
37 Parker Thompson Fr Tremont 15:49
30 Matt Feldhake Fr Effingham (St. Anthony) 15:55
35 Jeremy Stevens Fr Winnebago 15:48
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Post by sparky791 on Nov 7, 2007 21:22:39 GMT -5
Look out for these two compared to the last 3 state champions as Freshmen. 16. Jake Trancoso (Newman Central Catho Fr 15:38 17. Justin Rehfeldt (R. Christian) Fr 15:39 37 Parker Thompson Fr Tremont 15:49 30 Matt Feldhake Fr Effingham (St. Anthony) 15:55 35 Jeremy Stevens Fr Winnebago 15:48 A couple of other real good freshman that I think will be in the mix of all-state next year are Devenney from BV and Baker from Shelbyville. Both were real close to breaking 16:00 and I know Baker was fighting an injury the last half the season. So I am sure he could have gone faster if 100%. |
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Post by xcfan65 on Nov 7, 2007 22:35:26 GMT -5
Look out for these two compared to the last 3 state champions as Freshmen.
16. Jake Trancoso (Newman Central Catho Fr 15:38
17. Justin Rehfeldt (R. Christian) Fr 15:39
37 Parker Thompson Fr Tremont 15:49
30 Matt Feldhake Fr Effingham (St. Anthony) 15:55
35 Jeremy Stevens Fr Winnebago 15:48
i know that Rehfeldt is a heck of a runner.i know Trancoso wont turn 15 until end of july and he hasnt matured yet.He didnt start training until July because he played football in middle school and never ran cross country.then he decided to try XC
i also know that the Devanney boy is a heck of a competitor i seen him in middle school state track in east peoria
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Post by badkarma96 on Nov 8, 2007 9:02:58 GMT -5
Ryan Young from Prairie Central ran 15:48 as a frosh and Steve Wilson from Elmwood/Brimfield didn't make State as a freshman but only ran about 16:30. He may have been a bit faster but probably not much.
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Post by redemption on Nov 8, 2007 9:15:52 GMT -5
Montoya from elmwood was running well with Emerick early in the year but from what i heard ran into some injury problems. Next year he should come back strong and be a potential all-stater.
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Post by badkarma96 on Nov 8, 2007 18:37:13 GMT -5
I hope Montoya does get well. He could have been an all-stater last year too but got hurt. I hope he has a run of good luck next year and comes in off the radar.
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Post by wornflats on Nov 8, 2007 21:53:10 GMT -5
I hope Montoya does get well. He could have been an all-stater last year too but got hurt. I hope he has a run of good luck next year and comes in off the radar. Yes. That is two years in a row that a late season injury has ruined Montoya's state series. It is extremely frustrating to think that he was right on Emerick's tail prior to having problems. I think there is a flaw in his running mechanics that will need to be addressed if he is going to avoid the same fate next year. |
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Post by harderunner on Nov 10, 2007 11:18:40 GMT -5
I was looking at Westmont, and they should be very good next year. They could be up there for a trophy finish, if not win it all. They have alot of returners.
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Post by Stoic Warrior on Nov 10, 2007 16:08:16 GMT -5
I was looking at Westmont, and they should be very good next year. They could be up there for a trophy finish, if not win it all. They have alot of returners. John Reasor Jr 16:11 Scott Dvorak Fr 16:31 Kevin Barnacle So 16:37 Henry Arndt Fr 17:00 R. J. Pleva Fr 17:17 Deducting 30 seconds from their times, I factored in what they would have placed this year at the meet. Next year may be even faster... 15:41 13 16:01 21 16:07 22 16:30 50 16:47 61 So yes, give them all great PR's next year (a phenomenal season) and they may barely grab the third spot... WIN? That's a BOLD statement. |
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Post by harderunner on Nov 10, 2007 17:14:27 GMT -5
It is bold, but it isn't TOTALLY out of the quetion. But I think RC, Shelbyvile, Elmwood brimfield, and Bago should still be good next year. Westmont should be up there. But they have a young team, so it will be interesting to see what they do. Their freshman did well at state. I heard one of them fell on the first turn of the race.
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Post by oldbutslow on Nov 11, 2007 8:00:15 GMT -5
It is bold, but it isn't TOTALLY out of the quetion. But I think RC, Shelbyvile, Elmwood brimfield, and Bago should still be good next year. Westmont should be up there. But they have a young team, so it will be interesting to see what they do. Their freshman did well at state. I heard one of them fell on the first turn of the race. Yep, it was my son who wiped out on the first turn (#6 finisher). He had a little road rash on his knee, and hurt his hand a little, but I don't think it affected him too much. As far as next year goes, I was playing around with the state results and throwing out the seniors to see who has what coming back. I know this is totally hypothetical, but here are the points for those teams that have at least five guys coming back from their state team: Elmwood (5 back) - 240 Shelbyville (5 back) - 291 Westmont (5 back) -291 Carlinville (6 back) - 314 Robinson (5 back) - 334 Beecher (6 back) - 337 Rockford Christian (6 back) - 338 Of course, this doesn't take into account teams that have 3-4 coming back, such as Winnebago. They have four returning that scored 152, they reload with another decent runner and they are right there. But so much can happen during the next 11 months. How much work do the kids want to put in during the off season? I know the Westmont freshmen who ran at state are fired up and challenging each other with their off season running. But I'm sure those other teams with a bunch of returners are doing the same thing. Can you keep everyone healthy and motivated? I can't remember who posted it, but a few weeks back someone said that championships are won in the summer, not in October and November (or something like that). I keep telling that to my son over and over. I'd be interested in hearing from some of our current runners on the board how they keep themselves motivated during the offseason. I didn't start running until I was an old man, so I still don't completely understand the mental aspect of racing. So tc, redemption, cross crazy, etc, what do you guys do over the winter to stay focused? How about in the summer? I'd love to hear from all of you current runners on your approach to the off season. Sorry for the long post! |
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Post by illini1 on Nov 11, 2007 12:27:42 GMT -5
Motivation in the offseason is actually pretty simple.
"Act like a horse. Be dumb. Just run."
- Jumbo Elliot
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Post by bradley11 on Nov 11, 2007 17:00:32 GMT -5
maybe this is different with your team but it seems almost every year a lot of runners say that they are gonna work their butts off and that next year is really gonna be their year but then august rolls around and they realize they/ve ran a total of 20 miles all summer. By the sounds of it westmont could have a great team next year but thats if they all put in great summers.
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Post by oldbutslow on Nov 12, 2007 7:40:44 GMT -5
maybe this is different with your team but it seems almost every year a lot of runners say that they are gonna work their butts off and that next year is really gonna be their year but then august rolls around and they realize they/ve ran a total of 20 miles all summer. By the sounds of it westmont could have a great team next year but thats if they all put in great summers. That's what I'm afraid of! It is also why I'm interested to hear from those top level guys on how they keep going. |
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Post by benmanion on Nov 12, 2007 17:12:19 GMT -5
I think you will find that most top level runners have an uncommon drive to succeed. It is something inate that the average runner doesn't have. That doesn't mean that runners who don't naturally have that same drive or are self motivated cannot find external things that motivate them. Take a guy like Ryan Shay for example. He would say that he wasn't the most talented runner, but often said no one would outwork him. I think that the average or even above average runner can look at a guy like that and realize that if they work hard and outwork other guys they can be really, really successful.
My suggestion would be to try and find out what specifically motivates your son and then figure out how to use it to motivate him. Sometimes it just takes seeing a glimpse of the existing potential. Lastly, I would say that I deeply believe that the drive to succeed can be developed in an individual.
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Post by newpackman on Nov 12, 2007 19:29:05 GMT -5
Interesting and well put. RIP Ryan Shay.
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Post by benmanion on Nov 12, 2007 19:31:15 GMT -5
packman - amen to that and God bless his family!
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Post by xc393 on Dec 23, 2007 21:47:43 GMT -5
There is a real good shot that westmont will be really good next year...
Next years varsity team will consist of 5 sophmores, and i know that none of them trained very much last summer because the junior high program was a joke.... we ran about a half mile a day
I bet we will see ALOT of improvement with a full summers worth of training...
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