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Post by ROCK on Dec 7, 2006 14:31:41 GMT -5
Fantastic. How early are we are going to be accepting qualifying marks? Jan. 29th
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Post by midxc1 on Dec 7, 2006 19:56:43 GMT -5
How are the distance races going to go? Multiple heats, or are you going to have a cut-off number?
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Post by blade on Dec 26, 2006 16:34:29 GMT -5
Rock, or anyone else who knows....... Let's say that I have a few athletes who ran in a few meets before the highschool season starts. If those guys/gals run a time FAT that is fast enough to qualify can they send that time in? And if they can, is the athlete responsible or should the high school coach, club coach, parent, etc send the time in? Also, since most of the times run during the regular season are handtimed, what if any conversions would be used if an athlete runs for example a 6.60FAT. Would you subtract .24 or would the time remain the same. Since most of the meets run prior to the high school season are FAT, would those times hold more weight than the handtimes? Almost forgot. The date to start accepting times is Jan. 29. Does that mean no times run BEFORE Jan 29 are going to be accepted, or does that mean you guys pretty much don't start working til then
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Post by coachwagz on Dec 26, 2006 16:56:27 GMT -5
Hey Blade,
With regard to athletes competing in meets prior to the official start of the season, if I remember correctly, they cannot represent the school they are from during this time. If they are representing their high school, then they are in violation or may be risking being able to compete later in the school year as each individual athlete can only compete so many times including the indoor and outdoor seasons and sectional/state competition. With that said, since they represent your school in the Prep Top Times Meet, I would think that they would have to have represented your school when they ran the qualifying time as well.
Each Athletic Director gets a compliance workbook, and situations like these are detailed there. Your AD can point you in the right direction to make sure your athletes aren't at risk. I don't know if that helps, but I hope it does!
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Post by dbandre on Dec 26, 2006 17:32:05 GMT -5
I think we do this to prevent the IHSA from hassling us and any kid who competes at such meets prior to their IHSA season. Much less have them create a rule specific to Prep Top Times and meets like it were qualifying standards are set.
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Post by oldschool on Dec 26, 2006 21:48:32 GMT -5
I think we do this to prevent the IHSA from hassling us and any kid who competes at such meets prior to their IHSA season. Much less have them create a rule specific to Prep Top Times and meets like it were qualifying standards are set. What???
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Post by dbandre on Dec 26, 2006 22:02:10 GMT -5
Ok, I'll let ROCK answer this one specifically for you, but if we accepted times from outside competitions, i.e. outside the realm of control of the IHSA that it could cause problems since we have to have a host school for the meet to make it an official IHSA meet. We can't be getting into too large of a gray area with the IHSA. There are plenty of meets to qualify in for the IPTT meet.
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Post by historian on Dec 26, 2006 22:11:56 GMT -5
Just curious - what school is the "sponsoring School" ?
I understand the need to have any qualifying time run within meets held under the IHSA rules - frankly, that is a good thing. If IPPTT is to remain an "Indoor Championship" level competition, it is important to make sure the letter of the rules are followed.
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Post by coachwagz on Dec 27, 2006 7:23:55 GMT -5
I think we do this to prevent the IHSA from hassling us and any kid who competes at such meets prior to their IHSA season. Much less have them create a rule specific to Prep Top Times and meets like it were qualifying standards are set. Which "THIS" are you referring to in your response? What "THIS" are we doing to prevent the IHSA from hassling athletes and coaches? (Just a bit confused, like I missed the first half of a conversation. . .) And the IHSA does have a rule pertaining to the Prep Top Times meet, it includes it among the rules for invitationals (because that's what it is in essence) and it counts toward the amount of meets and individual competitions each athlete can participate in during the course of a season.
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Post by ROCK on Dec 27, 2006 8:37:31 GMT -5
Host school is Lane Tech.
We don't have a problem with the IHSA. An athlete is allowed to compete in 21 meets throughout the seaon. IPTT counts as one of those 21. A school is allowed to compete as a team at 18 meets, leaving 3 for individual competition. If we were to have team scoring at IPTT, this would count as one of the 18.
We are run under the IHSA by-laws, therefore we expect everyone at our meet to get there following those same by-laws. Therefore, to qualify, you must do it at a meet that is hosted under the by-laws of a State Association.
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Post by dbandre on Dec 27, 2006 8:49:00 GMT -5
I think we do this to prevent the IHSA from hassling us and any kid who competes at such meets prior to their IHSA season. Much less have them create a rule specific to Prep Top Times and meets like it were qualifying standards are set. Which "THIS" are you referring to in your response? What "THIS" are we doing to prevent the IHSA from hassling athletes and coaches? (Just a bit confused, like I missed the first half of a conversation. . .) And the IHSA does have a rule pertaining to the Prep Top Times meet, it includes it among the rules for invitationals (because that's what it is in essence) and it counts toward the amount of meets and individual competitions each athlete can participate in during the course of a season. This = Qualifying Times from a meet
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Post by dbandre on Dec 27, 2006 8:55:45 GMT -5
Host school is Lane Tech. We don't have a problem with the IHSA. An athlete is allowed to compete in 21 meets throughout the seaon. IPTT counts as one of those 21. A school is allowed to compete as a team at 18 meets, leaving 3 for individual competition. If we were to have team scoring at IPTT, this would count as one of the 18. We are run under the IHSA by-laws, therefore we expect everyone at our meet to get there following those same by-laws. Therefore, to qualify, you must do it at a meet that is hosted under the by-laws of a State Association. Thanks Rock, I knew I shouldn't have tried to answer, but I knew that the IHSA had by-laws that we were tied to in some way shape or form. Just not all the specifics, just knew the meet had to be sponsored by a school and everything that goes with that. However, I do have one question and it's not like these athletes would ever have to worry about qualifying anyways, but since the By-Laws do now have provisions for National Organization Competitions would USATF State and National Indoors competition count?
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Post by blade on Dec 27, 2006 16:01:29 GMT -5
Just to clarify.....
Wagz they aren't competing for their school. It's either under their club name, or unnattatched. I know that part of the rules. I was just a little confused because I was told a few years back, before I was the one that had to deal with this, that you could use a time run prior to the IHSA season.
But according to what i'm reading now, the times that they run prior to Jan 29 or not, would not matter if they weren't run at an IHSA sanctioned meet? Correct?
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Post by coachwagz on Dec 27, 2006 23:13:40 GMT -5
That's cool BLADE. When I got my first head coaching job, the school didn't have indoor and I had to learn all that stuff on my own before I started it up. From your post, I did understand that they weren't competing for you directly, but didn't want to see you fall into the pitfall of unknowingly bumping into a potential violation. Best of luck to your athletes and you as your season approaches!
;D
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Post by shavinbytomorrow on Nov 20, 2007 1:44:48 GMT -5
Any word on the new standards for this year??
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Post by ROCK on Nov 20, 2007 10:15:16 GMT -5
Any word on the new standards for this year?? Released to Coaches on December 5th at the ITCCCA Meeting, on the web shortly after that.
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Post by flagman on Dec 6, 2007 15:05:53 GMT -5
2008 qualifying marks???
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Post by rt20 on Mar 3, 2008 21:44:15 GMT -5
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Post by ROCK on Mar 4, 2008 0:26:16 GMT -5
This is a mistake, the qualifying is 46'6"
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Post by rt20 on Mar 8, 2008 0:23:59 GMT -5
One more question. Can a time or distance run in a FS or JV division qualify for the Indoor Classic. What about in a prelim?
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