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Post by dbandre on Oct 25, 2007 18:00:09 GMT -5
So when did an extremely fast course like Detweiler become an average 3 mile course?
Lets make this observation then, Metamora's course which is short of 3 miles runs about the same times for the same runners as Detweiler what were the times then. The Regional was run on Detweiler, and Metamora for whatever reason was slow that day. Say what you want, but U-High and Delavan were locks at Olympia on a windy day on what is an average 3 mile course in Illinois, not flat and hard like detweiler. The times Metamora ran at Detweiler were slower than both of those teams, banged up or not. Not to mention they were slower times for a longer and slower course in Galesburg were Galesburg won. A race is a race, the adrenaline is flowing and to still run that poorly makes one wonder. The fact is Metamora still didn't compete well enough, if they sandbagged so be it, but ICC will test all the teams. The wind affected every team last weekend, I can't see Detweiler being anymore affected than Olympia, Galesburg, or Urbana courses.
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Post by awrunner on Oct 25, 2007 18:43:26 GMT -5
I don't think I would count Limestone out of the running yet. They may have had a bad day at regionals, as far as a team. But they still made it out on both sides and had the winner of both races. The week before they ran very solid races on both sides at their conference meet.
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Post by illinijeff on Oct 26, 2007 10:41:38 GMT -5
Maybe we can have two pages of discussion to decide on a formula that we can use to adjust an ultra fast course to an average 3 mile course.
I just always use Detweiller as a benchmark for all times. We all know the course and what times there mean. I look at a time from another course and since I don't know all layouts or conditions they really don't mean much.
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Post by dbandre on Oct 26, 2007 10:52:21 GMT -5
Maybe we can have two pages of discussion to decide on a formula that we can use to adjust an ultra fast course to an average 3 mile course. I just always use Detweiller as a benchmark for all times. We all know the course and what times there mean. I look at a time from another course and since I don't know all layouts or conditions they really don't mean much. Then why can't you use their last race at Detweiler? Detweiler runs about 20-30s faster than any 3 mile course in the area. |
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Post by illinijeff on Oct 26, 2007 11:46:36 GMT -5
The regional meet for a banged up Metamora team was for one thing only....to advance the team to sectionals which was accomplished. Therefore the times of that meet are irrelevant to a discussion about what the runners can accomplish at a meet where everything is on the line.
Even after adding the 20-30 seconds to the other times I see them having enough runners still under the 16:30 benchmark time that was set.
Obviously I'm assuming and expecting them all to PR at state! (Positive thinking only at this time of the year.) The state meet is a totally different race than any invitational throughout the year where the unexpected can happen.
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Post by dbandre on Oct 26, 2007 12:10:49 GMT -5
Did they suddenly see a witch doctor this week and become unbanged up? No, they are a well coached team, and I expect them to perform as well as they can this week, but expecting 2 maybe 3 banged up runners to suddenly be sharp is asking a lot for the ICC course. I believe McMorrow has enough races under his belt to be ok. I think kids race too much these days, so I understand conference being more important than regionals, but that regional performance was subpar by the standard they put forth at conference, Limestone's was as well and i think your complete disregard for how DEEP this sectional is teamwise is another problem. A lackluster performance by any team in the top 10 I listed could drag them back as far as 14th. Every single one of those teams has 4 runners or more who can run sub 16:30 on a Detweiler course. Adding McMorrow and Van Fossen to the mix brings that tally to 4 for Metamora from the Regional results. With the exception of the #5 at each regional almost all of the other teams knew they would make it to sectionals on a slightly off day. So I don't buy that Metamora was the only team resting. I understand the reasons why Coach Jones was resting his #1 and #3 runners, but it doesn't mean they are a lock in this sectional.
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Post by illinijeff on Oct 26, 2007 13:15:05 GMT -5
Well, no witch doctor but....it is Halloween season so you never know. I'll stick with my lofty predictions. They have sectional experience (pretty dismal team wise from last year to motivate) and the overall depth to get it done.
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Post by cygnus on Oct 27, 2007 13:21:09 GMT -5
Amazing race. Boys went something like
1. Normal Univ.
2. Metamora
3. Galesburg
4. Delavan
5. Limestone
6. Peoria Notre Dame
12. Richwoods
Someone correct me if I'm wrong. Weather was nice, but the course was fairly muddy. At the mile marker I saw the then second place runner slip and fall on a turn, I'm sure it must have happened to others as well.
Wasn't able to stick around for the girls race. As expected there was a big crunch of teams between 6 and 14 in the boys.
Notre Dame must be disappointed it was really close score-wise and they barely got edged out.
My Richwoods team struggled, but didn't race too bad. Next year!
Normal Univ ran a great race, they should be proud to have won and can now see how far they can go at State.
Cygnus
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Post by bmhscross on Oct 27, 2007 18:21:22 GMT -5
yes the course was very muddy, i even slipped right at the start too, but yea the weather couldn't be better
our team (Bishop McNamara) finished a disappointing 10th, we were hoping for at least a top 8 finish but our 2 and 3 runners were both about 30 seconds off of their best times which cost us
but there's always next year
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