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Post by acccoachk on Sept 27, 2007 0:22:16 GMT -5
let's start hear by talking about the Belvidere Sectional being by far the toughest and deepest sectional in 2A! Does anyone have any thoughts on this besides the point that 11 of the top 25 ranked boys teams are being sent to this sectional! On the girls side it looks to be about as strong!
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Post by xcrunner30 on Sept 27, 2007 7:37:38 GMT -5
I kinda think it's sad how many of the teams in the top 25 won't be able to compete at state because there are so many good teams in their sectional. But I guess that's just how it goes. Haven't really looked at the girls. Sorry.
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Post by xcnccben on Sept 27, 2007 8:17:21 GMT -5
I think the top teams on the guys side change with the day! The depth of talent in AA shines at this sectional.
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Post by 800man on Sept 27, 2007 14:36:21 GMT -5
let's start hear by talking about the Belvidere Sectional being by far the toughest and deepest sectional in 2A! Does anyone have any thoughts on this besides the point that 11 of the top 25 ranked boys teams are being sent to this sectional! On the girls side it looks to be about as strong! It's definitely the deepest and probably toughest with the current top 3 ranked teams there. But it is only 9 out of the top 25 and 5 in the top ten. SO for right now at least no top 10 is going home early like in the AAA Schaumburg sectional. I guess I don't know or have seen enough of RI Alleman yet to understand why they are #2. Before the season started I figured CLC would be up there in trohpy contention returning 4 of their top 5 from a team that got beat at last years toughest AA sectional ( St charles ). Of the other top ranked teams in this sectional only DIxon and Kaneland are in the current top 19, the rest Grayslake and Lake Villa are in the 20-25 range. Could this sectional take all the hardware home this year, 1st through 3rd? |
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Post by moocher on Oct 23, 2007 12:25:06 GMT -5
So any predicitions for this sectional?
Or is it just throwing darts at the board after Sycamore?
Seven teams have established themselves as having the best chances of moving on.
Sycamore Virtual Lock
Dixon peaking at the right time
Crystal Lake Central 4 seniors and a Junior make up top five that had 1:01 split
Belvidere North 29 second split 1-5 solid through 7 Very young 3 freshman in the top 5
Yorkville has junior and seniors as top dogs. Needs to have a better race from Tanis and 5 needs to close the gap a bit.
Kaneland 48 second split 1-5 1:03 through seven needs to close those up even more. Has to get #3 ,4,5 closer to 1,2. If Markuson can run close to were he was before getting hurt they could challenge. Only one upper classmen
Rock Island Alleman Hird looks ready and so does Mcguire #3 has to run better and 4 and 5 have too close that gap.
After that I would say Grayslake North and Lakes had the best results at regionals but they would have to have some outstanding races from 4 and 5 runners.
Thing that might hurt the teams with good front runners and weaker 5th men is that almost every strong individual qualified as a team so they will push team scores up.
It is going to be very very close It really depends on who has the best day. No team after Sycamore can afford any mistakes or blow ups.
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Post by runningmuth on Oct 24, 2007 13:50:39 GMT -5
Has anyone run on this Belvidere course this year? Do you have results from the race and what type of course is it? (i.e. really flat , hilly, fast, slow, 90 degree turns all over, ect..) Thanks for the help.
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Post by run4fun on Oct 24, 2007 17:54:00 GMT -5
Not much to say except it's a shame that some great teams are going to be sent home on saturday. I'd like to see the ihsa do something about this in the coming years, but I'm not such where changes could be implemented.
It always seems like there are these sectionals like lisle or now Chicago Jones, where you have teams making it to state that would be murdered. I think it may be interesting to consider a track like set up where there were certain qualifying times. But that would require a great deal of thought and regulation of the courses. None the less just a shame that some great teams are going to not make it down to state.
Best luck to all runners in this sectional.
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Post by bnhsdad on Oct 25, 2007 6:36:28 GMT -5
Belvidere course is flat. Plenty of 90 degree turns. It is on the grounds of Belvidere High School. I'll attach an aerial view with a rough layout of the course either tonight or tomorrow. John Cook, the Belvidere coach said that it is almost exactly 3.00 miles. There is plenty of parking but and not a great deal of "on street" parking specially if the city decides to put up temporary No Parking zones around the school. For us spectators, I hope the weather forecast is as accurate as usual. There are a couple of areas where the viewing will be great. The start will come right by, the runners will come by twice mid race and then the finish straight is in view as well. Definitely a spectators course (Sorry, no grandstands). Teams should arrive early if they want to vie for premium tent placement areas.
Should be some incredible racing.
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Post by runner2474life on Oct 25, 2007 18:02:13 GMT -5
Belvidere course is flat. Plenty of 90 degree turns. It is on the grounds of Belvidere High School. I'll attach an aerial view with a rough layout of the course either tonight or tomorrow. John Cook, the Belvidere coach said that it is almost exactly 3.00 miles. There is plenty of parking but and not a great deal of "on street" parking specially if the city decides to put up temporary No Parking zones around the school. For us spectators, I hope the weather forecast is as accurate as usual. There are a couple of areas where the viewing will be great. The start will come right by, the runners will come by twice mid race and then the finish straight is in view as well. Definitely a spectators course (Sorry, no grandstands). Teams should arrive early if they want to vie for premium tent placement areas. Should be some incredible racing. like you said this is going to be a flag race and is a great course to watch. the wind will be the biggest factor saturday. (its always windy on that field). and they wont have parking on the street. |
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Post by neverstoprunning on Oct 25, 2007 22:00:29 GMT -5
does anyone out there have any predictions for this race?
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Post by acccoachk on Oct 26, 2007 7:48:22 GMT -5
1. Sycamore
2. Crystal Lake Central
3. Yorkville
4. Belvidere North
5. Kaneland
6. Rock Island Alleman
7. Dixon
8. Grays Lake North
9. Lakes
10. ACC
11. Sandwich
12. Burlington Central
13. Vernon Hills
14. Princeton
15. Belvidere
my top 5 will go, picks 6.7. will make it very interesting!
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Post by xcrunner30 on Oct 26, 2007 15:50:55 GMT -5
1. Sycamore
2. Crystal Lake Central
3. Dixon
4. Yorkville
5. Belvidere North
6. RI Alleman
7. Kaneland
8. Grayslake North
9. Richmond Burton
10. Sandwich
Dixon has a very good team. I respectfully disagree with them not making it.
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Post by acccoachk on Oct 26, 2007 19:56:39 GMT -5
You are right! Dixon has an excellent team! I feel anyone of the top 7 teams mentioned are very capable of qualifying! It will be a dogfight for the last spot between Kaneland, Rock Island Alleman,and Dixon! All 3 of those teams have their own strengths Kaneland--good young pack team--Rock Island Alleman--2 up front---Dixon 3 front--both teams 4-5's need to come up! Which they certainly can!
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Post by runninxc on Oct 27, 2007 15:14:12 GMT -5
so sycamore dominated as expected, but did anybody catch the finish of the leaders? judging by times it looks like Hird Lane and Campbell came down to a very close kick! that had to be exciting to watch. i'm gonna predict another exciting finish by them at the state meet, should be close again!
who knows, maybe with all them battling it out they could take out Holmes in the process? it's a possibility....
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Post by xcnccben on Oct 27, 2007 15:26:34 GMT -5
RESULTS: go.ihsa.org/reports/ccb45857.htmIt was a very fun race to watch - I only wish the course has a few more flags so it was CLEAR to the runners where they could or could not run. There were some crazy tangents being run and imo it affected the outcome of the race. |
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Post by runningfan on Oct 27, 2007 16:04:16 GMT -5
Video to be up shortly on You Tube titled
"Belvidere Sectional 07"
It was a truly awesome. Lane was leading with about 200 meter remaining. Hird makes a nice surge to take a lead and start to pull ahead. With less than 75 meters remaining, Lane & Campbell start a kick as they close within 25 meter Campbell gives it up just before the end and Lane almost catches Hird.
A classic finish of 3 great competitors.
Sorry about not getting the full stretch as someone got in the way of the camera.
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Post by runningfan on Oct 27, 2007 16:25:33 GMT -5
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Post by doctorwu on Oct 27, 2007 17:03:38 GMT -5
 - This sectional may have been the worst setup I have seen in any big race nationally. The finish shoot was too short which backed up runners into the course and made the 2 hour wait for results painful. This is on top of what I agree were poor flag placements and a racetrack like atmosphere. They should have run it on the track - it had the same terrain. Very disappointed in the venue.
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Post by bleepbop on Oct 27, 2007 17:27:04 GMT -5
Aj Gedwill, U rock
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Post by neverstoprunning on Oct 28, 2007 8:32:47 GMT -5
doctorwu- this was not belvidere's first choice for a location the old belvidere home course cant hold enough ppl for a sectional and they tried elliot golf course( location of forest city invite) but it is under construction and i think might have tried a few other locations but there was really no choice besides the school grounds
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Post by acccoachk on Oct 28, 2007 9:02:23 GMT -5
it does take one heck of alot of effort to host a sectional; been there and done that as well as many invites and regionals. the course would have been fine if the coursre designation was more clear they had the course lines well marked, the running point to point with the flags was a little confusing and unclear. the results and the waiting was extremely torturous; especially when you had a team that placed 6th and all the coaches had no prior validation of runners places other than speculating where they actually placed. Besides that; this Sectional provided stellar competition in both races! the girls team race was incredible with 10 state ranked teams and some other pretty good teams going at it. I can say now it was fun to watch! the boys race was everything it was built up to be and then some. Does everyone agree that this was undoubedtly the toughest 2A Sectional in the state? It was like a 2A northern illinois mini-state meet!
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Post by xcfanbrm on Oct 28, 2007 10:01:07 GMT -5
Well said, acccoachk! The effort needed to host a Sectional is huge and to Belvidere's credit the overall result was good. While I agree with the complaints about the course, the finish (a double chute would have helped), the parking fee?!?!? and the painfully long wait for the results, the racing by both the girls and the boys was excellent. Kudos to the race officials for taking the time and effort to get it right!!
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Post by doctorwu on Oct 28, 2007 16:50:25 GMT -5
I thought the competition was excellent and did not mean to detract from the racing, it was among the finest we will see all year. I do think that the ihsa should scout venues prior to awarding them. I applaud Belvidere for undertaking the sectionals and the officials for getting it right. That said, this is cross country not track and the venue was flat. Hopefully they can get a better venue next year. The people who ran the race were great.
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Post by acccoachk on Oct 28, 2007 17:52:42 GMT -5
I think all 5 of those boys teams that made it out--will be 5 in the top 9 at state. Sycamore will of course run away from the field! I also see a similar scenario in the Girls race!
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Post by 800man on Oct 28, 2007 20:09:36 GMT -5
Does everyone agree that this was undoubedtly the toughest 2A Sectional in the state? It was like a 2A northern illinois mini-state meet! Yes, probably the toughest sectional. Two possible trophies next Saturday. Belv North ran really well ( Was there some home course advantage? ). It'll be interesting to see how the rankings hold up Saturday. Will all 5 be in the top ten? my guess is all in top 12. I don't know if I'd call it a mini state meet ( 2A ). At race time only 7 teams were ranked in the top 25. It wasn't like the 3A sectional in Schaumburg where the 6th ranked team in the state ( Geneva ) didn't make it out and there were 15 of the top 20 ranked teams in the same race. That was a mini state meet. |
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Post by runner2474life on Oct 28, 2007 22:29:57 GMT -5
Does everyone agree that this was undoubedtly the toughest 2A Sectional in the state? It was like a 2A northern illinois mini-state meet! Yes, probably the toughest sectional. Two possible trophies next Saturday. Belv North ran really well ( Was there some home course advantage? ). It'll be interesting to see how the rankings hold up Saturday. Will all 5 be in the top ten? my guess is all in top 12. I don't know if I'd call it a mini state meet ( 2A ). At race time only 7 teams were ranked in the top 25. It wasn't like the 3A sectional in Schaumburg where the 6th ranked team in the state ( Geneva ) didn't make it out and there were 15 of the top 20 ranked teams in the same race. That was a mini state meet. not home anymore! ;D |
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Post by acccoachk on Oct 29, 2007 9:56:46 GMT -5
runner247forlife were you talking to me and if so give me a more direct translation of what you meant?
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Post by neverstoprunning on Oct 29, 2007 18:46:46 GMT -5
i think he was talking about belvidere not being belvidere norths home course
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- This sectional may have been the worst setup I have seen in any big race nationally. The finish shoot was too short which backed up runners into the course and made the 2 hour wait for results painful. This is on top of what I agree were poor flag placements and a racetrack like atmosphere. They should have run it on the track - it had the same terrain. Very disappointed in the venue.