next year returnees

[neverstoprunning]

The top 50 2A returnees
Place Name Team Time Yr (if not a jr.)
6. Tim Hird Rock Island (Alleman) 14:56
10. Andrew Larsen Lombard (Montini) 15:10
15. Jon Richards Streator (Twp.) 15:18
16. Kasey Ferrigan Dixon (H.S.) 15:19
19. Clay Elward Peoria (Notre Dame) 15:23 SO
21. Anthony Gedwill Belvidere (North) 15:23
26. Matthew Gilmer Sycamore 15:29
28. Mark Phillips West Chicago (Wheaton Academy) 15:32
29. Rocco Mazzanti Richmond (R.-Burton) 15:32
31. Max Sliwa Yorkville 15:35
33. Lucas Cherry Carbondale 15:37
35. Matt Logan Dixon (H.S.) 15:39
36. Kody Nelson Delavan 15:41
41. Jake Austin Yorkville 15:47
42. Brad Walwer Springfield (H.S.) 15:48
43. Campbell Walters Mt. Vernon (H.S.) 15:49
44. Stephan Rauh Metamora 15:50 SO
45. Paul Zeman Belvidere (North) 15:50 FR
46. Alec Shunk Rochester 15:51
48. Will Cross Delavan 15:51 FR
50. Gabe Moreno Galesburg (H.S.) 15:52
54. James Clay Normal (University) 15:54 FR
55. Cory Shoopman Metamora 15:54
57. Cody Laseman Belvidere (North) 15:55
58. John Curran Bloomington (Central Catholic) 15:55
60. Matt Havey Springfield (H.S.) 15:56 SO
61. Brian Dixon Chatham (Glenwood) 15:57 SO
65. Keaton Leach Sycamore 16:02
66. Blake Ofstedal Breese (Mater Dei) 16:03
68. Brett Conway Troy (Triad) 16:04 SO
69. Kyle Boone Dixon (H.S.) 16:04
70. Ryan Van Fossen Metamora 16:05 SO
72. Jordan Kremer Belvidere (North) 16:06
73. Ethan Jeffries Delavan 16:07
74. Justin Lee Springfield (H.S.) 16:09 SO
75. Mike DeRenzo West Chicago (Wheaton Academy) 16:09 SO
76. Ben Miller Glen Ellyn (Glenbard South) 16:10
78. Taylor Beckmann Breese (Mater Dei) 16:10
79. Kevin Kamm Metamora 16:10 FR
80. Robert Gilbert Peoria (Notre Dame) 16:10
81. Sam Lee Jacksonville (H.S.) 16:11 SO
83. Kirk Saunders Normal (University) 16:12
84. Carl Rapp Belvidere (North) 16:14 FR
85. Ben Flavin Crystal Lake (Central) 16:15
86. Quincy Guerrero Galesburg (H.S.) 16:16
87. Bruyn Yunk Belvidere (North) 16:17 FR
89. Neal Casey Lemont (H.S.) 16:18
90. Tyler Pence Springfield (H.S.) 16:19 FR
92. Connor Brown Springfield (H.S.) 16:23
94. Josiah Husk Normal (University) 16:25
95. Brandon Stewart Springfield (H.S.) 16:27

[xcrunner30]

You're forgetting Tim Hird. He placed fifth I believe.

[bleepbop]

Tim Hird is a senior this year.

[xcrunner15]

I predict that you are an idiot. I (Tim Hird) am deffinetly a junior

[bleepbop]

Just because were online and not talking person to person doesn't mean we shouldn't at least show some respect for each other.

Sorry if i offended you, it it makes u feel any better, i confused u with nick lane.

[xcrunner15]

i apologize for calling you an idiot, but yes, i am a junior, just making sure that wasnt misunderstood

[xcrunner30]

Looks as if Belvidere North will be very tough next year. Sycamore may fall a little because 5 of their 7 are seniors, but I'm sure they'll rebuild. You can never count out a defending champ. P.S. what happened to Gilmer of Sycamore? He was predicted to get top 15 and maybe even top 10. Instead he misses top 25. Others that didn't do so well were Walwer and Nelson.

[bleepbop]

Gilmer was kinda back there but surged through conference and sectionals. I guess when it came down it, he underperformed, as did a number of runners on the list...

Team bias but I do think, despite this season, that Glenbard will have a strong program next year. I was completely disguested with my state finish this year, and most of the other guys on the team are also disspionted that they didn't make it. We return all 7 and with some training, our freshman will be sophs, I believe we can make a stab for top 5. I think its realistic to see 1 or 2 Glenbard runners in top 25 next year.

As for Belivdier, they should be a favorite to win next year. But we have a lot of time and these runners on the list can make big improvemnts or almost none at all.

[xcnccben]

Yorkville returns 6 of their top 8 next year (our #7 and #8 were seconds apart)

Kaneland also returns 6 of 7 and will be another good team

[bleepbop]

I was just gonna say that actually!

racing both Yorkville and Kaneland it's clear that they both have programs, given a season could contend for State places!

Yorkville ran great at state btw, great repersentation for the WSC with Sycamore

[neverstoprunning]

sry i dont no y i thought hird was a junior i kinda just assumed he was a senior

[moocher]

If Kaneland ran same times as sectional they would have been 11th. It was hard to say wether the Belvidere course was slower or faster than state because of how many guys blew up at state. Most of the times were the same or faster but then a bunch ran 20 seconds or more slower which killed the average time difference. I still would say the state course was 5-7 seconds faster.

Top teams coming back next year.
Blvd North I have heard rumors though that the enrollment might push them up to the next class soon. Maybe someone else has more info about that
Dixon They return top three and 5 of top seven. If they get healthy up front look out!
Kaneland lost two of top five during the season due to injuries. Plus was is in the the toughest sectional. Might be the team with the biggest chip on its shoulder.
Sycamore The well isn't as deep as this year but make no mistake this team will be very good again.
Wheaton Academy They return great front runners and will only get stronger.
Springfield Lots of young runners coming back can they fill in around them.
Metamora A team with great history and will be strong again next year.
Yorkville Lose some key guys but will have lots of experienced runners back could be much higher on the list.
Glenbard South great young squad geat coaching could challenge for a trophy with a great spring and summer
Normal University Much like Metamora great tradition will be a factor again next year

Other things to consider Winnebago was only 20 students away from being 2a and Oregon was even less.
Bago would have been 2nd easily this year behind Sycamore.

Now that one season is under the belt I think it will be interesting to see how much this division improves.
I can see top five teams being as good as Sycamore was this year next year. They set the bar up. Now how many teams are going to jump over it?

[800man]

moocher said:

If Kaneland ran same times as sectional they would have been 11th. It was hard to say wether the Belvidere course was slower or faster than state because of how many guys blew up at state. Most of the times were the same or faster but then a bunch ran 20 seconds or more slower which killed the average time difference. I still would say the state course was 5-7 seconds faster.

Top teams coming back next year.
Blvd North I have heard rumors though that the enrollment might push them up to the next class soon. Maybe someone else has more info about that
Dixon They return top three and 5 of top seven. If they get healthy up front look out!
Kaneland lost two of top five during the season due to injuries. Plus was is in the the toughest sectional. Might be the team with the biggest chip on its shoulder.
Sycamore The well isn't as deep as this year but make no mistake this team will be very good again.
Wheaton Academy They return great front runners and will only get stronger.
Springfield Lots of young runners coming back can they fill in around them.
Metamora A team with great history and will be strong again next year.
Yorkville Lose some key guys but will have lots of experienced runners back could be much higher on the list.
Glenbard South great young squad geat coaching could challenge for a trophy with a great spring and summer
Normal University Much like Metamora great tradition will be a factor again next year

Other things to consider Winnebago was only 20 students away from being 2a and Oregon was even less.
Bago would have been 2nd easily this year behind Sycamore.

Now that one season is under the belt I think it will be interesting to see how much this division improves.
I can see top five teams being as good as Sycamore was this year next year. They set the bar up. Now how many teams are going to jump over it?

AS for teams being close to moving up. Does anybody know what the guidelines are for that? Say next year Bago is 1 person into AA, do they move into AA or is there a length of time they must be at the enrollment number to move up.

It seems kind of silly that a team could bounce back and forth every year by a couple of students. I thought I had heard about a 3 year "rule". So for example, Belvidere North is in Class AA for 3 years no matter what. After or during that 3 year period if they are over the cutoff, then they would move up for 3 years. Or something to that effect.

[800man]

neverstoprunning said:

The top 50 2A returnees
Place Name Team Time Yr (if not a jr.)
6. Tim Hird Rock Island (Alleman) 14:56
10. Andrew Larsen Lombard (Montini) 15:10
15. Jon Richards Streator (Twp.) 15:18
16. Kasey Ferrigan Dixon (H.S.) 15:19
19. Clay Elward Peoria (Notre Dame) 15:23 SO
21. Anthony Gedwill Belvidere (North) 15:23
26. Matthew Gilmer Sycamore 15:29
28. Mark Phillips West Chicago (Wheaton Academy) 15:32
29. Rocco Mazzanti Richmond (R.-Burton) 15:32
31. Max Sliwa Yorkville 15:35
33. Lucas Cherry Carbondale 15:37
35. Matt Logan Dixon (H.S.) 15:39
36. Kody Nelson Delavan 15:41
41. Jake Austin Yorkville 15:47
42. Brad Walwer Springfield (H.S.) 15:48
43. Campbell Walters Mt. Vernon (H.S.) 15:49
44. Stephan Rauh Metamora 15:50 SO
45. Paul Zeman Belvidere (North) 15:50 FR
46. Alec Shunk Rochester 15:51
48. Will Cross Delavan 15:51 FR
50. Gabe Moreno Galesburg (H.S.) 15:52
54. James Clay Normal (University) 15:54 FR
55. Cory Shoopman Metamora 15:54
57. Cody Laseman Belvidere (North) 15:55
58. John Curran Bloomington (Central Catholic) 15:55
60. Matt Havey Springfield (H.S.) 15:56 SO
61. Brian Dixon Chatham (Glenwood) 15:57 SO
65. Keaton Leach Sycamore 16:02
66. Blake Ofstedal Breese (Mater Dei) 16:03
68. Brett Conway Troy (Triad) 16:04 SO
69. Kyle Boone Dixon (H.S.) 16:04
70. Ryan Van Fossen Metamora 16:05 SO
72. Jordan Kremer Belvidere (North) 16:06
73. Ethan Jeffries Delavan 16:07
74. Justin Lee Springfield (H.S.) 16:09 SO
75. Mike DeRenzo West Chicago (Wheaton Academy) 16:09 SO
76. Ben Miller Glen Ellyn (Glenbard South) 16:10
78. Taylor Beckmann Breese (Mater Dei) 16:10
79. Kevin Kamm Metamora 16:10 FR
80. Robert Gilbert Peoria (Notre Dame) 16:10
81. Sam Lee Jacksonville (H.S.) 16:11 SO
83. Kirk Saunders Normal (University) 16:12
84. Carl Rapp Belvidere (North) 16:14 FR
85. Ben Flavin Crystal Lake (Central) 16:15
86. Quincy Guerrero Galesburg (H.S.) 16:16
87. Bruyn Yunk Belvidere (North) 16:17 FR
89. Neal Casey Lemont (H.S.) 16:18
90. Tyler Pence Springfield (H.S.) 16:19 FR
92. Connor Brown Springfield (H.S.) 16:23
94. Josiah Husk Normal (University) 16:25
95. Brandon Stewart Springfield (H.S.) 16:27

Wow, Springfield and Belvider North both return 6?

[bacon]

800man said:

AS for teams being close to moving up. Does anybody know what the guidelines are for that? Say next year Bago is 1 person into AA, do they move into AA or is there a length of time they must be at the enrollment number to move up.

It seems kind of silly that a team could bounce back and forth every year by a couple of students. I thought I had heard about a 3 year "rule". So for example, Belvidere North is in Class AA for 3 years no matter what. After or during that 3 year period if they are over the cutoff, then they would move up for 3 years. Or something to that effect.

There is no "3 year rule" in IL. The cutoffs for the 2007-08 school year will be determined by the numbers of students who attended on the school on Sept. 30, 2006. IL does it on a year by year basis. Though they will take into consideration extreme population changes (i.e. a new school opens up and takes half your students).

see: www.ihsa.org/school/enrollments.htm

Byron was the 2nd largest school in class A this year, Oregon was the 4th, Bago was the 7th, and Westmont was 9th.

It also looks like 6 of the smallest 8 schools in AA were either private or CPS magnets. They will probably be very consistant in their school population, so any class size boom could easily bump up those programs.

[dbandre]

bacon said:

800man said:

AS for teams being close to moving up. Does anybody know what the guidelines are for that? Say next year Bago is 1 person into AA, do they move into AA or is there a length of time they must be at the enrollment number to move up.

It seems kind of silly that a team could bounce back and forth every year by a couple of students. I thought I had heard about a 3 year "rule". So for example, Belvidere North is in Class AA for 3 years no matter what. After or during that 3 year period if they are over the cutoff, then they would move up for 3 years. Or something to that effect.

There is no "3 year rule" in IL. The cutoffs for the 2007-08 school year will be determined by the numbers of students who attended on the school on Sept. 30, 2006. IL does it on a year by year basis. Though they will take into consideration extreme population changes (i.e. a new school opens up and takes half your students).

see: www.ihsa.org/school/enrollments.htm

Byron was the 2nd largest school in class A this year, Oregon was the 4th, Bago was the 7th, and Westmont was 9th.

It also looks like 6 of the smallest 8 schools in AA were either private or CPS magnets. They will probably be very consistant in their school population, so any class size boom could easily bump up those programs.

The thing to be weary of is if coop's dissolve such as Delavan and Argenta. I can't think of any others at the moment in AA.

[800man]

bacon said:

800man said:

AS for teams being close to moving up. Does anybody know what the guidelines are for that? Say next year Bago is 1 person into AA, do they move into AA or is there a length of time they must be at the enrollment number to move up.

It seems kind of silly that a team could bounce back and forth every year by a couple of students. I thought I had heard about a 3 year "rule". So for example, Belvidere North is in Class AA for 3 years no matter what. After or during that 3 year period if they are over the cutoff, then they would move up for 3 years. Or something to that effect.

There is no "3 year rule" in IL. The cutoffs for the 2007-08 school year will be determined by the numbers of students who attended on the school on Sept. 30, 2006. IL does it on a year by year basis. Though they will take into consideration extreme population changes (i.e. a new school opens up and takes half your students).

see: www.ihsa.org/school/enrollments.htm

Byron was the 2nd largest school in class A this year, Oregon was the 4th, Bago was the 7th, and Westmont was 9th.

It also looks like 6 of the smallest 8 schools in AA were either private or CPS magnets. They will probably be very consistant in their school population, so any class size boom could easily bump up those programs.

Thanks Bacon, I knew someone would find it.

So IF Bago ( just as an example ) is one student over as of this Sept 30 2007, next year they are AA. Then while competing as AA next September they are under by one student, in 2009 they are A. It seems kinda of silly doesn't it. Or will they hold to the percentages and try to keep the # of schools competing in a given class the same. So, in theory say 4 schools were to move up to AA and 5 schools with declining enrollments are moving down, would they adjust the cutoff numbers again to maintain their percentages?

[bacon]

800man said:

So IF Bago ( just as an example ) is one student over as of this Sept 30 2007, next year they are AA. Then while competing as AA next September they are under by one student, in 2009 they are A. It seems kinda of silly doesn't it. Or will they hold to the percentages and try to keep the # of schools competing in a given class the same. So, in theory say 4 schools were to move up to AA and 5 schools with declining enrollments are moving down, would they adjust the cutoff numbers again to maintain their percentages?

More or less yes. A school could bounce up and down between classes.

They keep the percentages constant, not the number of schools. So unless member schools are either created or destroyed, for every school moving up, a school should be moving down.

The process is: 1st, calculate the enrollment of every member school, 2nd, determine how many classes the sport has (XC has over 450 schools participate, so it can be 3 classes), 3rd, divide the schools.

The final step does not care if the schools actually participate in the sport. It is "Schools in the bottom 50% of enrollments are class A if they participate." It is NOT "The bottom 50% of enrollment of participating schools are class A." The number that creates the cutoff changes every year.

[bacon]

dbandre said:

The thing to be weary of is if coop's dissolve such as Delavan and Argenta. I can't think of any others at the moment in AA.

The following schools were reported as Coops this year in AA:
Cahokia
Streater
Sidell
Delevan
Genoa (only individuals entered at regionals)

The coops involving Streater, Delevan, and Genoa expire after this year according to www.ihsa.org/school/coop.htm. I have no idea if they will be renewed.

Another thing that could be watched for is that schools that have the multiplier can motion for it to be taken off. They usually only bother with this motion if it would change their class. But not too many of those motions are granted, so it probably will not come up. I can't find the list of schools that had it granted for this year at the moment.

[strauss32]

so when they figure out what schools are in that class, when do they do it? will IHSA look at how many people are enrolled in the school this year for next years class or will they be able to get the enrollment for next year quick enough to determine the class for that same year? it confuses me

[bacon]

strauss32 said:

so when they figure out what schools are in that class, when do they do it? will IHSA look at how many people are enrolled in the school this year for next years class or will they be able to get the enrollment for next year quick enough to determine the class for that same year? it confuses me

Classes for the 2008-09 school year are determined based on the attendances on Sept. 30, 2007. They are taken from a report that is not available until next April. Schools can request variances if the number is going to be extremely wrong (like 20% change, or a new school opens in the district, or schools consolidate). The whole process is explained on the site i mentioned earlier.

[rt20]

As of early Sept. Winnebago's enrollment was lower than it was last year because the freshman class is smaller, but it has gone up since. Not sure what it was on Sept. 30th, but winnebago will be 2A in several years.

Belvidere will lose 1000 jobs through layoffs at their Chrysler plant. That has a trickle down effect through the whole community. I'm not sure how it will effect school enrollment, but it is a very fast growing district.

[123xcrunner321]

tim hird is going to be a joke next year and wont do anything just like his team this year was a joke and fell apart i expect he will do the same next year

[derekcampbell]

123xcrunner321 said:

tim hird is going to be a joke next year and wont do anything just like his team this year was a joke and fell apart i expect he will do the same next year

my name is derek campbell, as shown by my name. i made this account for this one post and this one post only.

i ran against Tim Hird in 5 meets this year. Hird is one of the most respectable and toughest runners i've ever run against, with more of a bad ass attitude than you could ever handle. Please don't disrespect him. I have all the confidence in the world that he will come back even stronger next year, and if you don't think so i suggest you line up on the starting line next to him and see for yourself. He'll kick your ass on the course, then shake your hand afterward. if that isn't honorable i dont know what is.

now with that said, i'm sorry Hird but i am going to have to root for my teammate Gilmer next year, i love the hell out of that kid and he's got a work ethic worth talking about. i'm expecting a good battle between you two

[neverstoprunning]

123xcrunner321 who are you to call out Tim Hird?
and back to the talk about the class system how do they determine that? for example belvidere split what do they base their enrollment offo of? take belvideres and cut it in half? or actually take the enrollment of the skill from that year?

[rt20]

neverstoprunning said:

belvidere split what do they base their enrollment offo of? take belvideres and cut it in half? or actually take the enrollment of the skill from that year?

Belvidere community has two schools now, each with their own enrollment.

[neverstoprunning]

I no that but i was wondering what they did for this year since it was Norths first year did they just take half of the original belvideres enrollment for each school?

[xceric17]

123xcrunner321, dude you are a little pregnant dog, i bet u cant even ran a 1530, your a joke, you should probly quite with the rest of your pathetic team. dude haha you must jsut have so much to talk but, it doesnt appear your to good, hmm what happened? and dude, what place did u get at state, id like to know?

[bacon]

neverstoprunning said:

and back to the talk about the class system how do they determine that? for example belvidere split what do they base their enrollment offo of? take belvideres and cut it in half? or actually take the enrollment of the skill from that year?

As set out on the page i linked earlier, they have procedures for those situations.

When a school is going to have a big change in population (due to something like being split), they estimate the enrollments for planning purposes. Then, they have those schools report their Sept. 30 enrollments directly to the IHSA and they are used for the current year. So Belvidere and B. North would have submitted estimates for planning purposes last year. Then, they would have confirmed them to the IHSA this year. I would be shocked if there was any real difference between the estimates and the actual numbers. This why when you look at their enrollments at www.ihsa.org/school/enrolln.htm, there is a big E (for estimate) next to them.

To quote the IHSA directly:

In situations where a school will gain students through annexation or consolidation or lose students because of a new school opening in the district, the IHSA uses an estimated enrollment for planning purposes and then uses the figure from September 30 of the current school year, as reported by the school directly to the IHSA.

Just be glad you don't have to worry about "football enrollments." Those are headaches.

[rt20]

neverstoprunning said:

I no that but i was wondering what they did for this year since it was Norths first year did they just take half of the original belvideres enrollment for each school?

Ah, I see good question and I see its already answered.