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Post by slowrunner on Sept 17, 2007 11:10:26 GMT -5
yea
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Post by lwcxc on Sept 17, 2007 12:09:36 GMT -5
Oswego isn't gonna do anything. They've got no one. Anyway, how about Minooka making it to state this year? They've improved tremendously from last year. Minooka definitely had a good performance this weekend at their flight invite (both boys and girls). Their first four were under 16:30 (I think)--if their #5 moves into that range, they should be good to go. The sectional is going to be full of teams who have a bunch of guys around 16:30 (Andrew, Lincoln-Way Central, etc.), so the Indians need to get their times closer to 16:00 if they want to be an absolute lock for state. It will probably be a little more difficult for the Minooka girls, but they did a fantastic job winning the flight meet this weekend.
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Post by dirtman on Sept 17, 2007 12:22:20 GMT -5
Oswego isn't gonna do anything. They've got no one. Anyway, how about Minooka making it to state this year? They've improved tremendously from last year. Because of their Regional/Sectional assigment, Minooka has a shot at reaching state, but I wouldn't expect them to be a factor at state -- they barely beat Yorkville (2A) at their Flight Invite (Minooka's top 5 beat Yorkville's top 5 by a total of just 6 seconds).
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Post by quincy101 on Sept 17, 2007 12:51:39 GMT -5
yea minooka is a good team.. their first runner runs 15:20 and the next 3 are 16:10-16:30 and i know their 5th runner from camp and his best last year was 16:45 so yea they are a pretty good team
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Post by xcnccben on Sept 17, 2007 18:28:45 GMT -5
yea minooka is a good team.. their first runner runs 15:20 and the next 3 are 16:10-16:30 and i know their 5th runner from camp and his best last year was 16:45 so yea they are a pretty good team From experience: Minooka always runs tough late in the season
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Post by irun on Sept 17, 2007 19:22:23 GMT -5
i wouldnt count oswego out, they had all 5 of there top under 16:40. They also beat all the teams in their sectionals at Peoria Notre Dame. Granted Nequa want there, neither was minooka. I also dont no if lincoln way east ran there top 7. They also had there top 3 at or under 16:00
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Post by xcrunner322 on Sept 17, 2007 19:30:47 GMT -5
oswego is doing pretty good they have improved alot... but they ran those times on the fastest course... but they could be contenders to qualify for the state meet
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Post by irun on Sept 17, 2007 19:34:58 GMT -5
well they did only lose one of their top runners last year and have had a lot of guys step it up this year
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Post by quincy101 on Sept 17, 2007 19:42:36 GMT -5
i would probably take off about 20 seconds off the times at the state course because it is so fast....yea oswego had some pretty good times they would probably be close to minooka but i think oswego's 1-3 are around minooka's 2-4 minookas number 1 runner is far ahead with plainfield north's runner in that conference.
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Post by irun on Sept 17, 2007 19:54:18 GMT -5
yea oswego's problem might be that they dont have a lot of depth, they can beat minooka 1-3 ive seen them do it but after that minookas 4-7 all come in before oswegos 5th
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Post by quincy101 on Sept 17, 2007 19:57:28 GMT -5
who on that team has beaten minookas number 1 guy? doesnt he run 15:20.. i dont think any oswego kids have ran 15:20 since luke rygh
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Post by irun on Sept 17, 2007 20:00:07 GMT -5
no one can there can beat there number 1 but there 1-3 can pack it up and probably all be ahead of minookas number 2 runner, and yea no one there has run 15:20's since Luke Rygh, they have two seniors Eric Garcia and Matt Gaitlin who are into the 15's and a sophmore Nick Wiseman who runs low 16's, thats the top 3 there
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Post by entactogen on Sept 18, 2007 23:04:01 GMT -5
seriously, no team from south of Interstate 55 matters. never happens. All the best high school cross country teams are from the burbs.
As far as high school teams resting kids... you have to be joking. High school teams dont rest people unless they are injured or its a garbage meet. This isnt D1 athletics.
The best teams in the state are all from the western suburbs. the Class AAA is the only class worth talking about. Small schools send runners primarily to small D3 schools which nobody cares about just like class A and AA.
Deal with it, its true.
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Post by lwcxc on Sept 19, 2007 7:43:45 GMT -5
seriously, no team from south of Interstate 55 matters. never happens. All the best high school cross country teams are from the burbs. um...Lockport? Sandburg? Lincoln-Way East? Stagg? That's a pretty big area south of I55 with some good boys and girls programs. They don't matter?
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Post by preFANtaine on Sept 19, 2007 19:30:06 GMT -5
entactogen:
I agree with you for the most part of the strength of TEAMs in that area. But... Craig Virgin and Tim Broe would be worth talking about, don't you think? Virgin in today's class system would have been 1A (Lebanon enrollment 230). Broe (East Peoria) would have been 2A. Virgin (University of Illiniois) and Broe (Alabama) ran to NCAA Division 1 national titles in cross country (CV) and track (TB). Most recently, what about Katelyn Bastert (Carthage enrollment 480)? Duke, NCAA Div 1 - worth talking about? Not sure of many runners north of I 55 in the western suberbs, or any part of Chicago, that ran ahead of these small school elites.
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Post by happyranker on Sept 20, 2007 10:55:15 GMT -5
entactogen: I agree with you for the most part of the strength of TEAMs in that area. But... Craig Virgin and Tim Broe would be worth talking about, don't you think? Virgin in today's class system would have been 1A (Lebanon enrollment 230). Broe (East Peoria) would have been 2A. Virgin (University of Illiniois) and Broe (Alabama) ran to NCAA Division 1 national titles in cross country (CV) and track (TB). Most recently, what about Katelyn Bastert (Carthage enrollment 480)? Duke, NCAA Div 1 - worth talking about? Not sure of many runners north of I 55 in the western suberbs, or any part of Chicago, that ran ahead of these small school elites. listen here boys, class AAA have not had as nearly as many quality runners as class A, take good old roger as an example
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Post by lwcxc on Sept 20, 2007 11:31:59 GMT -5
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listen here boys, class AAA have not had as nearly as many quality runners as class A, take good old roger as an example[/quote]
Ok...do you have any stats to support this argument?
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Post by prelives400 on Sept 20, 2007 11:54:42 GMT -5
Its not true that only AAA runners are worthy talking about and go to D1 schools. First of all, many class a runners get recruited by D1 schools because they have the potential to be great runners, but the high schools they went to didnt have the help and facilities that larger schools have. Secondly, many runners from smaller schools who are running D1 are doing much better than the AAA kids. Dorian ulrey- UNI 4:01 mile freshman year. Charlie Hatch- Cornell 1:48/800. Jeremy Stevens- U of I. Challas Ray- WIU. Tyler bradford- SIU. Scott Krapf- IL State. Jason Bill- Went to U of I and ran sub 4. Last of all, D2 and D3 have great runners and some great programs. For instance, Lewis , NORTH CENTRAL!!!! Illinois central college. These schools are some just off the top of my head that have great runners and good programs.
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Post by entactogen on Sept 20, 2007 14:05:50 GMT -5
seriously, no team from south of Interstate 55 matters. never happens. All the best high school cross country teams are from the burbs. um...Lockport? Sandburg? Lincoln-Way East? Stagg? That's a pretty big area south of I55 with some good boys and girls programs. They don't matter? ill give you lockport and sandburg. but lincoln way was good till they split the school. stagg give me a break. quality teams are all in the western burbs hands down.
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Post by entactogen on Sept 20, 2007 14:09:19 GMT -5
Its not true that only AAA runners are worthy talking about and go to D1 schools. First of all, many class a runners get recruited by D1 schools because they have the potential to be great runners, but the high schools they went to didnt have the help and facilities that larger schools have. Secondly, many runners from smaller schools who are running D1 are doing much better than the AAA kids. Dorian ulrey- UNI 4:01 mile freshman year. Charlie Hatch- Cornell 1:48/800. Jeremy Stevens- U of I. Challas Ray- WIU. Tyler bradford- SIU. Scott Krapf- IL State. Jason Bill- Went to U of I and ran sub 4. Last of all, D2 and D3 have great runners and some great programs. For instance, Lewis , NORTH CENTRAL!!!! Illinois central college. These schools are some just off the top of my head that have great runners and good programs. im sorry north central and lewis are not quality teams. north centrals cc team has been out of the top 3 I dont even know how many times in the last couple of years. hell last weekend they got beat by augie. lewis isnt anything special either. southern IL and eastern IL are better than both teams and neither of them are even considered when it comes to fast D1 teams. sure you will get a good runner here or there like tim broe, but whats that happen, like every ten years.
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Post by happyranker on Sept 20, 2007 21:06:40 GMT -5
boys listen here, you can argue all you want about opinions but here are the facts, class A(now A/AA) has had thousand of more runners than AA(now AA/AAA) has. case closed.
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Post by slowrunner on Sept 20, 2007 21:38:42 GMT -5
i think that A, AA and AAA are all about equal. thats because the ihsa knows what they are doing and made it all fair.
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Post by 800man on Sept 21, 2007 11:11:16 GMT -5
seriously, no team from south of Interstate 55 matters. never happens. All the best high school cross country teams are from the burbs. As far as high school teams resting kids... you have to be joking. High school teams dont rest people unless they are injured or its a garbage meet. This isnt D1 athletics. The best teams in the state are all from the western suburbs. the Class AAA is the only class worth talking about. Small schools send runners primarily to small D3 schools which nobody cares about just like class A and AA. Deal with it, its true. South of I-55 I-55 is a North South highway. You must mean East.
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Post by 800man on Sept 21, 2007 11:17:21 GMT -5
boys listen here, you can argue all you want about opinions but here are the facts, class A(now A/AA) has had thousand of more runners than AA(now AA/AAA) has. case closed. Only if you're counting all the guys who ran before they split it into two classes 30+ years ago. Even after that York alone has over 175 guys in their program almost every year. many class "A" schools have 10 or less, some "AA" less than 20. It really comes down to how many of each class every year can run under a certain time mark on the same course, same day ( ie the state meet ). I believe there were and have been a few more guys in the old AA under 15:00 last year than in A. But feel free to post facts otherwise.
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Post by lwcxc on Sept 21, 2007 11:18:28 GMT -5
seriously, no team from south of Interstate 55 matters. never happens. All the best high school cross country teams are from the burbs. As far as high school teams resting kids... you have to be joking. High school teams dont rest people unless they are injured or its a garbage meet. This isnt D1 athletics. The best teams in the state are all from the western suburbs. the Class AAA is the only class worth talking about. Small schools send runners primarily to small D3 schools which nobody cares about just like class A and AA. Deal with it, its true. South of I-55 I-55 is a North South highway. You must mean East. I think he probably meant I-80.
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Post by 800man on Sept 21, 2007 12:21:23 GMT -5
South of I-55 I-55 is a North South highway. You must mean East. I think he probably meant I-80. Yeah, could be and that would throw out Sandburg and Lockport just leaving Lincoln Way(s) as the team he is insulting
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Post by lwcxc on Sept 21, 2007 13:24:15 GMT -5
I think he probably meant I-80.[/quote]
Yeah, could be and that would throw out Sandburg and Lockport just leaving Lincoln Way(s) as the team he is insulting[/quote]
Well, that's my school. He's not totally in the wrong. East makes it to state every year and Central had Battista in the top 10, but neither team has competed for a trophy for awhile. I certainly wouldn't agree with him that these are low quality teams.
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Post by happyranker on Sept 21, 2007 17:03:22 GMT -5
boys listen here, you can argue all you want about opinions but here are the facts, class A(now A/AA) has had thousand of more runners than AA(now AA/AAA) has. case closed. Only if you're counting all the guys who ran before they split it into two classes 30+ years ago. Even after that York alone has over 175 guys in their program almost every year. many class "A" schools have 10 or less, some "AA" less than 20. It really comes down to how many of each class every year can run under a certain time mark on the same course, same day ( ie the state meet ). I believe there were and have been a few more guys in the old AA under 15:00 last year than in A. But feel free to post facts otherwise. listen here 800man im not sure if you were even at the meet because the conditions for the class A race were much were worse than in the class AA race!!! facts are facts
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Post by slowrunner on Sept 21, 2007 19:01:17 GMT -5
Only if you're counting all the guys who ran before they split it into two classes 30+ years ago. Even after that York alone has over 175 guys in their program almost every year. many class "A" schools have 10 or less, some "AA" less than 20. It really comes down to how many of each class every year can run under a certain time mark on the same course, same day ( ie the state meet ). I believe there were and have been a few more guys in the old AA under 15:00 last year than in A. But feel free to post facts otherwise. listen here 800man im not sure if you were even at the meet because the conditions for the class A race were much were worse than in the class AA race!!! facts are facts really happyranker? were the conditions that different in the 2 hours between the races. i was sad because i missed the state meet due to more important engagements
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Post by 800man on Sept 22, 2007 0:15:06 GMT -5
Only if you're counting all the guys who ran before they split it into two classes 30+ years ago. Even after that York alone has over 175 guys in their program almost every year. many class "A" schools have 10 or less, some "AA" less than 20. It really comes down to how many of each class every year can run under a certain time mark on the same course, same day ( ie the state meet ). I believe there were and have been a few more guys in the old AA under 15:00 last year than in A. But feel free to post facts otherwise. listen here 800man im not sure if you were even at the meet because the conditions for the class A race were much were worse than in the class AA race!!! facts are facts I was there and I have no idea what you are talking about. The conditions were pretty similar for each race. Again, if you want ot supply some real facts, not your opinion, I'm sure we would all enjoy reading them.
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