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Post by 800man on Sept 22, 2007 0:28:15 GMT -5
;D Only if you're counting all the guys who ran before they split it into two classes 30+ years ago. Even after that York alone has over 175 guys in their program almost every year. many class "A" schools have 10 or less, some "AA" less than 20. It really comes down to how many of each class every year can run under a certain time mark on the same course, same day ( ie the state meet ). I believe there were and have been a few more guys in the old AA under 15:00 last year than in A. But feel free to post facts otherwise. listen here 800man im not sure if you were even at the meet because the conditions for the class A race were much were worse than in the class AA race!!! facts are facts Happyranker, here are some facts for you. 2006 State meet class A = 1 runner under 15:00 class AA = 40 runners under 15:00 2005 class A = 4 under 15:00 class AA= 32 under 15:00 2004 class A =1 under 15:00 class AA = 5 under 15:00 03 A =2 under 15:00 AA =21 under 15:00 I can keep going if you want. ;D In 2006 the cutoff for Class A All-state =15:39. Class AA All-State =14:51
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Post by happyranker on Sept 23, 2007 16:39:46 GMT -5
listen here 800man im not sure if you were even at the meet because the conditions for the class A race were much were worse than in the class AA race!!! facts are facts really happyranker? were the conditions that different in the 2 hours between the races. i was sad because i missed the state meet due to more important engagements slowrunner you obviously have no xc knowledge if you dont even go to the state race! there is no reason to miss the biggest event of the year by far, and im starting to think 800man and slowrunner are the same person
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Post by lwecrosscountry on Sept 23, 2007 17:28:39 GMT -5
Look for my nate troester in some upcoming races, he was only a couple of seconds behind kevin havel at Peoria- Notre Dame.
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Post by happyranker on Sept 23, 2007 17:43:20 GMT -5
Look for my nate troester in some upcoming races, he was only a couple of seconds behind kevin havel at Peoria- Notre Dame. just to let you know i talked to havel at PND and he said his strategy was to take it easy and stay close to his teammates to help them run a better race, but at the end he obviously took off
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Post by slowrunner on Sept 23, 2007 18:53:25 GMT -5
really happyranker? were the conditions that different in the 2 hours between the races. i was sad because i missed the state meet due to more important engagements slowrunner you obviously have no xc knowledge if you dont even go to the state race! there is no reason to miss the biggest event of the year by far, and im starting to think 800man and slowrunner are the same person happyranker you need to stop making fun of me like that. i am not 800man and there is no way you can prove i am. just because you are an expert does not mean you can just make fun of me all the time. i am starting to really get mad at you
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Post by 800man on Sept 24, 2007 0:31:43 GMT -5
really happyranker? were the conditions that different in the 2 hours between the races. i was sad because i missed the state meet due to more important engagements slowrunner you obviously have no xc knowledge if you dont even go to the state race! there is no reason to miss the biggest event of the year by far, and im starting to think 800man and slowrunner are the same person Happyranker, Not everyone can get to the state meet. It's a fact of life. As far as Slowrunner and I being the same person, I think not, I have never been called slow. You keep telling everyone else to do their howmework but you still have yet to provide any factual backup for any post that has been questioned. You are the one that needs to do a little more homework. And just to follow up on my last post, there has only been one year that the class "A" winner had a faster time than the class "AA" winner. That was 2005 when Jeremy Stevens was a couple of seconds faster than Finley's time. And if you were there you would know that Craven made the terrible mistake of letting up at the finish line. He didn't push the final 50 meters like he should thinking he was all alone. But every other year the "AA" time is somewhere between 20 seconds and a minute faster most being at least 35 seconds. Again, sorry for just reporting the facts.
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Post by 800man on Sept 24, 2007 0:43:59 GMT -5
Look for my nate troester in some upcoming races, he was only a couple of seconds behind kevin havel at Peoria- Notre Dame. just to let you know i talked to havel at PND and he said his strategy was to take it easy and stay close to his teammates to help them run a better race, but at the end he obviously took off OK, first of all Havel didn't take it easy he was leading the pack of 5-6 runners for the first mile, Graves was lurking a couple of strides back. Havel teamates, I presume you mean Wisser and Stanton were already well behind him when they went into the back loop. At the two mile Graves had started to pull away followed by Havel, then Holmes, Wisser and Stanton were way back at this time. Graves took off with 600 to go, Holmes shadowed Havel who looked at little tired coming down the stretch. Holmes kicked hard, Havel cruised in. So if you mean that Havel was staying close to his teammates to help them, I guess they only needed help for the start, cause once they turned North along Rte 29 ( before the mile mark ) Havel was the one pushing the pace. Oh and by the way, I was actually there.
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Post by irunfasterthanyou on Sept 24, 2007 18:12:50 GMT -5
well 800man, you seem to be a bit full of yourself, that seems quite obvious. you say that no person has ever called you slow, yet compared to this havel you criticize, i would indeed call you slow.
you seem to know a lot of information about the race and where each runner was at certain points in the race. clearly this is because you were not running. therefore you were not even a varsity runner, so you cant be quite as amazing as you think. you probably run over 80 miles per week so you can show off how good you are. i am with happyranker on this one, not because he is right at all (he is clearly very wrong), but because you are an arrogant person.
ps. you do sound like slowrunner to me you have the same writing style.
just my 2 cents
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Post by sadranker on Sept 24, 2007 18:45:51 GMT -5
well 800man, you seem to be a bit full of yourself, that seems quite obvious. you say that no person has ever called you slow, yet compared to this havel you criticize, i would indeed call you slow. you seem to know a lot of information about the race and where each runner was at certain points in the race. clearly this is because you were not running. therefore you were not even a varsity runner, so you cant be quite as amazing as you think. you probably run over 80 miles per week so you can show off how good you are. i am with happyranker on this one, not because he is right at all (he is clearly very wrong), but because you are an arrogant person. ps. you do sound like slowrunner to me you have the same writing style. just my 2 cents i also agree
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Post by 800man on Sept 24, 2007 23:16:44 GMT -5
well 800man, you seem to be a bit full of yourself, that seems quite obvious. you say that no person has ever called you slow, yet compared to this havel you criticize, i would indeed call you slow. you seem to know a lot of information about the race and where each runner was at certain points in the race. clearly this is because you were not running. therefore you were not even a varsity runner, so you cant be quite as amazing as you think. you probably run over 80 miles per week so you can show off how good you are. i am with happyranker on this one, not because he is right at all (he is clearly very wrong), but because you are an arrogant person. ps. you do sound like slowrunner to me you have the same writing style. just my 2 cents Maybe you need to read my post a little closer. Nowhere in my post to I criticize Kevin Havel. I was providing a real description of the race. The person/people who were banned claimed to have talked to Havel after the race as to why his time was slow. If I sound arrogant than I am sorry. I am getting fed up with people who come on here spouting off things they have no idea of. As for why I had intricate knowledge of the race, I have never claimed to be a current high school runner.
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Post by runningnerd on Sept 25, 2007 21:01:49 GMT -5
800man unless you are a coach i think it is rather creepy that you are on these forums but not in high school. you seem to remind me of a banned ishartonyou who was clearly somewhat of a pediphile and said bad things about ROCK.
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Post by rt20 on Sept 25, 2007 21:18:44 GMT -5
800man unless you are a coach i think it is rather creepy that you are on these forums but not in high school. I've never understood this sentiment. Although I coach now, as a former runner, fan and parent before this I've been very interested in how the season is progressing and know many people in the same categories who are interested and support their teams in many ways. runningnerd, why don't you think this sport is worthy of following?
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Post by runningnerd on Sept 25, 2007 21:22:26 GMT -5
stop twisting my words rt20. i love cross country and everyone who runs. i just think 800man seems to be an odd personality. i clearly think cross country is a worthy sport or else i would not be posting on these forums
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Post by runningnerd on Sept 25, 2007 21:25:47 GMT -5
stop twisting my words rt20. i love cross country and everyone who runs. i just think 800man seems to be an odd personality. i clearly think cross country is a worthy sport or else i would not be posting on these forums why wasnt 800man banned, i thought ROCK said he was banning him this is your first sensible post all day. maybe you are not an idot
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Post by 800man on Sept 26, 2007 7:43:29 GMT -5
800man unless you are a coach i think it is rather creepy that you are on these forums but not in high school. you seem to remind me of a banned ishartonyou who was clearly somewhat of a pediphile and said bad things about ROCK. Seriously, how any different screen names do yo have Happyranker, slowrunner, runningnerd, sadranker, rokishot... There are several people on here who are not in high school, inclusing several coaches. This is a discussion board for high school running in Illinois. This is an interest shared by many people.
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Post by 800man on Sept 26, 2007 7:45:10 GMT -5
why wasnt 800man banned, i thought ROCK said he was banning him this is your first sensible post all day. maybe you are not an idot Oh and that's a good trick, use another screen name to talk to yourself, qoute yourself and then delete the post. Enough back to running.
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Post by 800man on Sept 26, 2007 8:47:34 GMT -5
Please give your predictions for the top 10 teams and individuals in Class AAA. I'll go with Neuqua Valley ending York's win streak and Kevin Havel edging out Chris Derrick for the individual title. Teams1. Neuqua Valley 2. York 3. Naperville North 4. Wheaton North 5. Waubonsie Valley 6. Palatine 7. Lincoln-Way East 8. St. Charles North 9. Hersey 10. Schaumburg Individuals1. Kevin Havel 2. Chris Derrick 3. Matt Smoody 4. Tom Achtein 5. Steve Sulkin 6. Jim Riddle 7. Chris Desilva 8. Kyle Gibson 9. Josh Stein 10. Danny Pawola With Palatine beating York this past weekend, things have gotten closer. Waubonsie hasn't run at full strength yet so it's hard to say where they are at. But teams 2-5 ( Naperville North, Wheaton North, Palatine, and York ) are so close any of them could trophy this year. Naperville North hasn't run all their projected top 7 guys yet and you know York will be in the hunt. Just looking ahead: teams 2 through 5 are generally in the 120 to 200 point range but with how close they are this year could they all be in the 180-210 range and will the 6th and 7th men come in to play by pushing back other teams # 4 or #5. I think this would favor Nap North and Wheaton North with the closeness of their whole group. After that Geneva appears to be leading the next group of 5-7 teams including Sandburg, St C N, Hersey, Lyons Township, and LWE.
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Post by xcrunnerforhehs on Sept 26, 2007 12:48:46 GMT -5
do u guys think palatine is better then york?
they beat them at the palatine invite
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Post by 800man on Sept 26, 2007 20:48:30 GMT -5
do u guys think palatine is better then york? they beat them at the palatine invite To be honest no. But Palatine did beat them Saturday so you never know. York ran without Cecil who would probably be in their top 5 and this was really their first race of the year so you can't put a lot of stock in the results even though York hasn't been beaten in 5 or 6 years. Like I said in my post, teams 2 through 5 are extremely close right now and if anybody has a bad day they could go from a trophy to 5th place real quick.
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Post by funrunner468 on Sept 29, 2007 20:06:26 GMT -5
another runner who is looking to put up a great run down state is Kyle Engnell from Lockport. He showed a great race at the Lockport invite coming in second, about 20 seconds behind Chris Derrick and has been running stronger and stronger every meet
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