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Post by ccaddict on Nov 4, 2007 1:00:15 GMT -5
Does anyone know who the two or three boys that practically stopped close to the finish and nearly collapsed? They had run so well and were probably in the top 30 until they were passed by so many at the end.
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Post by 800man on Nov 4, 2007 9:21:03 GMT -5
Does anyone know who the two or three boys that practically stopped close to the finish and nearly collapsed? They had run so well and were probably in the top 30 until they were passed by so many at the end. One of them was Riddle from Neuqua Valley. He was in top 30 when he went down. Not sure of the other. |
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Post by ccaddict on Nov 4, 2007 13:02:04 GMT -5
Thanks. Today's Daily Herald indicated that the other was Bill Wisser of Arlington Hts. Hersey who fell from 12th to 41st in the last few yards.
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Post by badkarma96 on Nov 4, 2007 15:23:20 GMT -5
Those guys were great all year too. Bummer for them, I figured they were all-staters for sure. They're both seniors aren't they?
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Post by rt20 on Nov 4, 2007 15:39:31 GMT -5
I believe they are seniors.
I was about 50 meters from the finish when Wisser stumbled by, as he did his teammate Erik Stanton passed him and noticably turned sideways to him and yelled something to him. I felt he even slowed up a bit to do it. When I looked at the results Stanton was 26th.
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Post by benmanion on Nov 4, 2007 15:55:49 GMT -5
That really sucks all the way around. Wisser, Riddle, Stanton. It doesn't get much suckier than that. All 3 should have been All-State (at least Riddle was last year right?).
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Post by badkarma96 on Nov 4, 2007 17:43:59 GMT -5
Riddle got 20th last year in 14:45.
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Post by xcnumberthree on Nov 4, 2007 18:17:58 GMT -5
So was it Riddle that kept falling? and whose legs gave out ? or someone else. im confused. if so, he definately got passed by at least 30 people right at the end.
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Post by bleepbop on Nov 4, 2007 19:08:27 GMT -5
He has had a stress fracture is whole year, this was his first race.
I know Nequa's coach talked to my coach about how to get a runner into racing condition for the state meet. Micah V. had the same stress fracture thing, only unfortunatly Riddle's race ended differently than Micah's. It was heartbreaking to see that happen.
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Post by benmanion on Nov 4, 2007 19:16:42 GMT -5
did he suffer a break (riddle)?
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Post by bleepbop on Nov 4, 2007 20:27:49 GMT -5
I don't know, but if he did in the last 50 meters i could only imagine the physcial and mental pain of realizing ur Xc career crash before ur eyes coupled with an unforgiving surge of pain in ur leg, that would be horrible...
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Post by benmanion on Nov 4, 2007 20:31:47 GMT -5
That really does suck. Riddle ran 14:46 at Detweiler on Sept. 8 (Woodruff Inv.). He definitely was a top 5 guy if he hadn't suffered an injury. It is absolutely amazing that he was even in contention to make all-state after being out so long. Insane. I hope he has an awesome track season!
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Post by bleepbop on Nov 4, 2007 20:35:22 GMT -5
Yea, he could suprise a lot a people during track. Nequa could have a good 4x8 with a team like theres this year
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Post by bacon on Nov 4, 2007 21:28:36 GMT -5
Riddle posted a note about his finish on the Illinois dyestat forum.
Reading between the lines, i think he is expecting to do NTN with the team. So his XC season isn't over yet.
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Post by coolrunner4 on Nov 4, 2007 21:59:14 GMT -5
Do you mind posting that link for the note?
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Post by ccaddict on Nov 5, 2007 0:10:13 GMT -5
To xcnumberthree's question. My recollection was that Riddle fell a couple of times. Wisser appeared to lose feeling in his legs and struggled to the finish line, although never falling. Both lost about 25 spots.
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Post by 800man on Nov 5, 2007 14:37:47 GMT -5
Yea, he could suprise a lot a people during track. Nequa could have a good 4x8 with a team like theres this year The 4X 800 in Illinois will always be good. But Derrick has stated himself that he has never broken 2:00 and I'm pretty sure he'll be concentrating on the 3200 as will Pawola most likely. The question is how good will York be this year? Graduating Kuczwara and Hinchley and the older Sulkin really hurts. They will reload but they don't have the big stud anchoring. |
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Post by bacon on Nov 5, 2007 16:04:40 GMT -5
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Post by coolrunner4 on Nov 5, 2007 18:58:21 GMT -5
Yea, he could suprise a lot a people during track. Nequa could have a good 4x8 with a team like theres this year The 4X 800 in Illinois will always be good. But Derrick has stated himself that he has never broken 2:00 and I'm pretty sure he'll be concentrating on the 3200 as will Pawola most likely. The question is how good will York be this year? Graduating Kuczwara and Hinchley and the older Sulkin really hurts. They will reload but they don't have the big stud anchoring. Will Achtein most likely run the mile this year? because i dont see why he cant help that 4 X 8 team out. Of course York will always be stacked in that department. |
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Post by benmanion on Nov 5, 2007 19:28:26 GMT -5
I was curious what the splits were for the guys up front. Anyone have any idea of the 1 & 2 splits for Derrick, Havel, Achtien, etc?
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Post by rt20 on Nov 6, 2007 23:14:44 GMT -5
So was it Riddle that kept falling? and whose legs gave out ? or someone else. im confused. if so, he definately got passed by at least 30 people right at the end. youtube video that shows the finish. www.youtube.com/watch?v=IP6QRT80S9Q&NR=1 |
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Post by 800man on Nov 7, 2007 11:37:55 GMT -5
The 4X 800 in Illinois will always be good. But Derrick has stated himself that he has never broken 2:00 and I'm pretty sure he'll be concentrating on the 3200 as will Pawola most likely. The question is how good will York be this year? Graduating Kuczwara and Hinchley and the older Sulkin really hurts. They will reload but they don't have the big stud anchoring. Will Achtein most likely run the mile this year? because i dont see why he cant help that 4 X 8 team out. Of course York will always be stacked in that department. WHo knows right now but their best chance for points is for Achtien and Sulkin in the 3200 and possibly the 1600. And try to scrap together a 4 X 8 team with Talbot who is their top 800 returner from last year. They also had a pretty good sophomre 400 guy last year, don't know if he can make the stretch to the 800 or not. |
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Post by coolrunner4 on Nov 7, 2007 19:25:15 GMT -5
Really, the 3200? I donno,that means they would have to go up against Derrick AND Havel. Not to mention Pawola who has proved himself worthy as a part of the Elite 2 milers. I think the Mile would be the best for him, i havent heard of anyone in the elite category running the mile...
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Post by benmanion on Nov 7, 2007 22:29:48 GMT -5
Here are the top returners from last years AA 3200 (under 9:40). Seems to me that Achtien will have a great chance to score well in this event. He is showed significant improvement in cross and could be a real threat for top 2 or 3.
2 Chris Derrick (Jr), Naperville (Neuqua Valley) 8:54.64
4 Kevin Havel (Jr), Arlington Heights (Hersey) 9:06.29
6 Tom Achtien (Jr), Elmhurst (York) 9:08.16
8 Danny Pawola (So), Naperville (Neuqua Valley) 9:17.63
11 Patrick Geoghegan (Jr), Oak Park (O.P.-River Forest) 9:21.67
13 Steve Sulkin (So), Elmhurst (York) 9:25.33
14 Chase Kadlec (Jr), Wheaton (North) 9:25.42
16 Josh Stein (Jr), Aurora (Marmion Academy) 9:26.53
17 Bill Wisser (Jr), Arlington Heights (Hersey) 9:27.27
20 Blake Brooks (Jr), Dunlap 9:30.19
22 Brian Denk (Jr), Darien (Hinsdale South) 9:31.24
24 Kyle Gibson (So), Naperville (North) 9:32.04
25 Kevin Forde (Jr), Normal (University) 9:32.69
29 Matt Perez (So), Hoffman Estates (H.S.) 9:33.77
30 Neal Anderson (Jr), Chatham (Glenwood) 9:33.98
31 Mark Schumacher (Jr), Aurora (Waubonsie Valley) 9:34.43
32 Scott Friedlander (Jr), Deerfield 9:34.65
34 Rich Eber (Jr), Chicago (Brother Rice) 9:36.92
35 Andrew Larsen (So), Lombard (Montini) 9:37.39
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