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Post by strauss32 on Oct 21, 2007 20:50:35 GMT -5
looking at the regionals i would say the top 5 teams are illiana topping them all by a long shot. then st francis, lemont, bremen and niles. wheaton would be up there if their 5th was better. ht ran a 18:35 sat. which was more than a minute behind their 4. they will rack up a lot of points in that gap. walter could creep up but they were .02 short on saturday and their 4, 5 were 17.59 and 18.09. i dont think they will be able to advance from that. GBS has a really big gap between their 3 and 4. u high has a good spread of less than a minute but their times are not down like the other teams.
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Post by strauss32 on Oct 21, 2007 20:53:33 GMT -5
I disagree with your points that U-High is a long shot to make it to state, and that they lack a true #1 runner. U-High is a very solid pack team and I believe they are far and away the 5th best team in this sectional. They have a good number 1, who has just recently emerged and their #2 and #3 runners each have the potential to run up with the #1. The #'s 4,5,6,7 are all pretty tightly packed and can hang with most of the runners in this sectional. The reason the times at the U-High regional look so slow is because the course was in bad condition and it was severely lengthed due to a lot of downed tree's. This team is fairly experienced and well coached and gave Northridge a very good run for its conference championship despite not having their #2 runner at full health. Prepare to be surprised, I know they are a city team and thus always ignored but U-high is perinially a very good team and this year is no exception everyone has looked at regional times with these predictions and i would agree with what the rankings are right now. when you are talking about it you cant be biased towards your team. |
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Post by irun11 on Oct 21, 2007 21:44:50 GMT -5
I disagree with your points that U-High is a long shot to make it to state, and that they lack a true #1 runner. U-High is a very solid pack team and I believe they are far and away the 5th best team in this sectional. They have a good number 1, who has just recently emerged and their #2 and #3 runners each have the potential to run up with the #1. The #'s 4,5,6,7 are all pretty tightly packed and can hang with most of the runners in this sectional. The reason the times at the U-High regional look so slow is because the course was in bad condition and it was severely lengthed due to a lot of downed tree's. This team is fairly experienced and well coached and gave Northridge a very good run for its conference championship despite not having their #2 runner at full health. Prepare to be surprised, I know they are a city team and thus always ignored but U-high is perinially a very good team and this year is no exception everyone has looked at regional times with these predictions and i would agree with what the rankings are right now. when you are talking about it you cant be biased towards your team. very true |
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Post by run4fun on Oct 22, 2007 0:03:40 GMT -5
This is an incredibly tough section to predict because like all A or AA statistics not much is known. As for the times run yesterday, I don't believe any of the courses were 3 miles which makes it that much tougher to figure out how things will pan out. Also most coaches emphasize to the their runners not to go full throttle in order to be at 100% for when things matter most next weekend.
That being said I think it's safe to say St.Francis and Illiana C are the class of this sectional. 4 seniors leading the way for IC is something to watch out for. Never can have enough experience going into a big race... I view the rest of this section as fairly wide open. It can't be ignored that Northridge and Wheaton were biting at Ic's heels on saturday but like I already said coaches have their guys set at a specific pace to save something for when things matter most.
All that being said simply looking at the body of work by all these teams over the season+ what happened saturday I'd place things like this. 1/2 St.Francis/Illiana. Then 3-7 is really wide open as far as I can tell. Wheaton, Northridge,Lemont, Uhigh, and Walter Lutheran should be watched out for. St.Francis, Illiana, Wheaton, Northridge, and Lemont would be how I'd call it.
Overall its a weak section but an interesting section. As for the earlier comment about uhigh, Definitely a dangerous team but
I view Latin and them as teams that are much more likely to send an individual or 2 then send a team down.
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Post by 800man on Oct 22, 2007 11:01:39 GMT -5
This is an incredibly tough section to predict because like all A or AA statistics not much is known. As for the times run yesterday, I don't believe any of the courses were 3 miles which makes it that much tougher to figure out how things will pan out. Also most coaches emphasize to the their runners not to go full throttle in order to be at 100% for when things matter most next weekend. That being said I think it's safe to say St.Francis and Illiana C are the class of this sectional. 4 seniors leading the way for IC is something to watch out for. Never can have enough experience going into a big race... I view the rest of this section as fairly wide open. It can't be ignored that Northridge and Wheaton were biting at Ic's heels on saturday but like I already said coaches have their guys set at a specific pace to save something for when things matter most. All that being said simply looking at the body of work by all these teams over the season+ what happened saturday I'd place things like this. 1/2 St.Francis/Illiana. Then 3-7 is really wide open as far as I can tell. Wheaton, Northridge,Lemont, Uhigh, and Walter Lutheran should be watched out for. St.Francis, Illiana, Wheaton, Northridge, and Lemont would be how I'd call it. Overall its a weak section but an interesting section. As for the earlier comment about uhigh, Definitely a dangerous team but I view Latin and them as teams that are much more likely to send an individual or 2 then send a team down. Well said. The regionals were all pretty weak overall. In a more competitive meet I would estimate Wheaton-ST Francis will seperate more from Wheaton Academy and Northridge. So Ill CHristian and WSF battle for 1st and 2nd while spots 3-5 will be between Northridge, Wheaton Academy, Lemont, Walther Lutheran, GBS, Bremen, and U high maybe even in that order. You hate to say it but it is really going to come down to which teams #4 and #5 show up the strongest. |
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Post by run4fun on Oct 22, 2007 12:02:00 GMT -5
"You hate to say it but it is really going to come down to which teams #4 and #5 show up the strongest." that's how it should be though. Every team is only as strong as its weakest link. I hate it when teams with great 1/2 runners win a meet, and the 3-7 are just along for the ride.
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Post by 800man on Oct 22, 2007 12:04:23 GMT -5
"You hate to say it but it is really going to come down to which teams #4 and #5 show up the strongest." Well said...that's how it should be though. Every team is only as strong as its weakest link. I hate it when teams with great 1/2 runners win a meet, and the 3-7 are just along for the ride. It is a team sport after all, you are correct. |
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Post by 07runner on Oct 22, 2007 12:41:33 GMT -5
I definitely have a bit of an isl bias but don't sleep on the chicago university region. The times definitely look slow but as was already noted the course was changed at some distance added. Also worth noting that Illiana numbers are slightly inflated due to a short course of 2.92. 15:30,15:37,15:43 looks quite impressive and then the rest of the pack under 17. However, I have to think that it is an incredibly fast course and short course.
I wish Ihsa would do a better job of enforcing distance standards, and maybe make everything 5k. But back to the main point. Should be a great race to run in or watch. Battle for the win between Mcknight, Pushaultz, Phillips, and the bevy of senior runners from Illiana should be exciting. Guess I'm beating the dead horse a bit here but, 6 seniors on St.francis versus the 5 from Illiana. Should be dynamic watching them go at it. Two teams that really got screwed by ihsa the last couple of years finally get a chance to re-establish themselves.
I'm a believer of Northridge in the 3 hole, 3 seniors leading the way who are use to winning and know what it takes to win this time of year. Their #5 needs to step up and I think he will.
#4 seems like it should be Wheaton West Chicago. Mark Phillips leading the pack will probably be in the top 10 if not win the whole thing. Then their 2-4 is a really solid pack, and the same with Northridge they need their #5 to step up, and I believe he will. Just going off of this teams track record when they were in the lisle sectional a few years back. Them and NR always get great races from their 4-7 when it matters most.
#5-7 Should be an exciting contest between lemont,Midlothian, Walter Lutheran, Uhigh, and maybe even latin playing the role of a spoiler for a couple teams. Both the uhigh and latin times seem slow to me just looking back on how their team was running earlier this year and taking a look at last years regional results. I think the course they ran on saturday was probably more challenging then has been indicated. Also Schauble of latin was in the 16:30's last season, so not sure if he's been having some injury problems. But I view both Uhigh and Latin as teams to watch out for.
As for Individuals advancing gotta like Rocky Medero of Guerin, Larsen of Montini, and then a plethora of individuals from teams that will end up on the outside looking in from teams like Uhigh, latin ect.
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Post by rollercoaster on Oct 22, 2007 12:56:29 GMT -5
As far as the distance standards, I agree with you. But, the rule states the course can be 2.75 to 3.1 miles. I would like a nice 5k at all meets. Good analysis and it will be fun to watch.
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Post by strauss32 on Oct 22, 2007 16:49:48 GMT -5
not to be biased towards my team but lemont's strength now is that we had a 52 second spread at regional 1-5 and our 4, 5, 6 are all really close. so if one person for them doesnt perform to full potential there is another guy to back up and gain points. im not saying we are going to go into saturday saying that we are advancing because there is a handful of teams looking for 3 spots. it is going to be a good race
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Post by timothyjohnston3 on Oct 22, 2007 20:08:58 GMT -5
Hello all, sorry I have been away, but I was out of town but now have returned and am anxious to once again return to the wonderful world of cross country. And, ironically, I believe I am right on time, because the season is starting to wind down and teams/coaches are starting to get serious. I come from a family with running in the blood, my father, Timothy Johnston II, was a great runner as was my grandfather Timothy Johnston I. I have been involved in cross country for many years now, and have coached many great athletes. Stay Tuned for very relevant posts, and I will be sure to give my two cents when the need arises.
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Post by 800man on Oct 22, 2007 20:32:09 GMT -5
not to be biased towards my team but lemont's strength now is that we had a 52 second spread at regional 1-5 and our 4, 5, 6 are all really close. so if one person for them doesnt perform to full potential there is another guy to back up and gain points. im not saying we are going to go into saturday saying that we are advancing because there is a handful of teams looking for 3 spots. it is going to be a good race Am I misreading the regional results? I see your 1-5 split as 69.5 seconds and then #6 was another 25 seconds behind your #5 runner.  It looks like right now you r strentgh is your #1 and #2 ( #2 is a freshman ) and then a decent 3-5. |
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Post by 07runner on Oct 22, 2007 20:51:00 GMT -5
not to take anything away from you tim but I think this site is best for the runners/ coaches who are in touch with what is going on and can offer far better insights then a random fan. Plus Kinda feel everything that needs to be said about this section has been said i.e. Illiana/st.francis are the top 2 and the other spots are up for grabs.
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Post by bleepbop on Oct 22, 2007 20:54:36 GMT -5
I know 5 teams qualify for state, but how many individuals. I know that AAA has seven, does AA have 5 or seven?
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Post by iruninblue on Oct 22, 2007 21:12:13 GMT -5
not to take anything away from you tim but I think this site is best for the runners/ coaches who are in touch with what is going on and can offer far better insights then a random fan. Plus Kinda feel everything that needs to be said about this section has been said i.e. Illiana/st.francis are the top 2 and the other spots are up for grabs. i am little disappointed in you, why would you want people to stop talking about xc! i have to admit, this is one of the most interesting sectionals i have ever seen, the number one team is settled, but grab your popcorn boys and girls because the fight from 2-7 is gonna be one heck of a show |
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Post by timothyjohnston3 on Oct 22, 2007 21:14:04 GMT -5
07 Runner, I am however, no random fan. Running is in my blood, because as I have mentioned, both my father and grandfather were exceptional runners. I am confident I can provide better insights then some inexperienced high school runner, such as yourself. For example, it is utterly incomprehensible to place Wheaton St. Francis as the obvious #2, when clearly, they are not as dominant when compared to Wheaton Academy, Lemont, nor Northridge. Secondly, you are foolish enough to think that U-High and Walther Lutheran both have a chance at claiming a top five spot. That is absurd. I have also been in touch with Bremen's coach, who assured me he was letting his boys take it easy, so that they will be well rested come sectionals. Do you have these connections with coaches 07 Runner? I fathom not.
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Post by rollercoaster on Oct 22, 2007 21:56:45 GMT -5
Bremen's coach does not exist.
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Post by rollercoaster on Oct 22, 2007 21:57:16 GMT -5
I know 5 teams qualify for state, but how many individuals. I know that AAA has seven, does AA have 5 or seven? 5 teams and 7 individuals. |
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Post by irun11 on Oct 22, 2007 22:18:10 GMT -5
i agree with iruninblue, o7runner you need to revert back to the ways that made you post your first in depth analysis. who cares? i do. we all love running and just cant stop talking about it.
timothy johnston it is good to have you back. i expect some good posts
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Post by timothyjohnston3 on Oct 22, 2007 23:17:34 GMT -5
i agree with iruninblue, o7runner you need to revert back to the ways that made you post your first in depth analysis. who cares? i do. we all love running and just cant stop talking about it. timothy johnston it is good to have you back. i expect some good posts Thank you irun11, I am glad at least someone appreciates all of my hard work with rankings and the such. |
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Post by timothyjohnston3 on Oct 22, 2007 23:20:09 GMT -5
Bremen's coach does not exist. Rollercoaster, considering I spoke to the coach a few weeks back, I can assure you that Bremen's coach exists. It is individuals like yourself who have defamed the great name of cross country with your deceit and lies. |
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Post by irun11 on Oct 23, 2007 13:21:25 GMT -5
ok clearly this sectional is the most interesting to everyone on this website. why dont we all post our top teams and individuals in the section. if people are going to say things they have to have their opinions out in the open
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Post by LemontXC17 on Oct 23, 2007 14:32:44 GMT -5
top teams
1.illiana chirstian
2. st. francis
3. northridge
4. lemont
5. wheaton west chicago
individuals
1.nick kramer-illiana
2. garrett mcknight-st. francis
3. Frank Puschautz-northridge
4. Mark Phillips-wheaton
5. Andrew Larsen-montini
6. Neal casey-lemont
7. Austin Warner-illiana
8. Caleb Schmal-illiana
9. Jordan Piaskowy-illiana
10. Tom hoster-Lemont
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Post by strauss32 on Oct 23, 2007 22:23:19 GMT -5
not to be biased towards my team but lemont's strength now is that we had a 52 second spread at regional 1-5 and our 4, 5, 6 are all really close. so if one person for them doesnt perform to full potential there is another guy to back up and gain points. im not saying we are going to go into saturday saying that we are advancing because there is a handful of teams looking for 3 spots. it is going to be a good race Am I misreading the regional results? I see your 1-5 split as 69.5 seconds and then #6 was another 25 seconds behind your #5 runner. It looks like right now you r strentgh is your #1 and #2 ( #2 is a freshman ) and then a decent 3-5. 800man, if you are looking at results from our regional in ISHA.org, they are incorrect. they did something wrong with the timing. i think as runners came across the line they hit the split button once too many. our number 1 runner got a 16:06 and our number 2 got a 16:15. i was number 3 for us at 8th place and had a 16:31 that shows i had a 16:16. you have to look at the place after. 5th place=you need to look at the 6th place time.. and so on. our 6th runner had a bad race, you can see that 4 5 and 6 are all very close from previous results. so the times were all in between a 16:06 and a 16:59. |
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Post by strauss32 on Oct 23, 2007 22:28:16 GMT -5
07 Runner, I am however, no random fan. Running is in my blood, because as I have mentioned, both my father and grandfather were exceptional runners. I am confident I can provide better insights then some inexperienced high school runner, such as yourself. For example, it is utterly incomprehensible to place Wheaton St. Francis as the obvious #2, when clearly, they are not as dominant when compared to Wheaton Academy, Lemont, nor Northridge. Secondly, you are foolish enough to think that U-High and Walther Lutheran both have a chance at claiming a top five spot. That is absurd. I have also been in touch with Bremen's coach, who assured me he was letting his boys take it easy, so that they will be well rested come sectionals. Do you have these connections with coaches 07 Runner? I fathom not. everyone seems to think st francis is the obvious #2. from looking at the regional it seems that there will be teams giving them a run for their spot. they had a minute and 20 second gap between their 2 and 3 runners which hurts them badly. especially in this sectional where there will be so many runners filling in between that gap making their 3 4 5 score a lot of points. does anyone know if they were instructed to go at a specific pace or be conservative during regionals? or was it a coincidence that 3-5 had bad races? |
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Post by waltherxc16 on Oct 24, 2007 15:11:40 GMT -5
yall is crazy...its gunna be between illiana and walther lutheran...we may be yung but we got fresh talent..walther shuld prolly get top 10 maybe top \5 at state
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Post by sickkick on Oct 24, 2007 15:40:53 GMT -5
What time do u think an individual will need to run to make it to state? Do u think that 16:40 will make it to state?
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Post by 07runner on Oct 24, 2007 16:41:09 GMT -5
A few points to make...want to re-emphasize that this is a tough section to call because of the variations in distances from last saturday.
As for Tim, also want to emphasize that I got no beef with you by any means and I like everybody else welcome all opinions and insights on these boards. However, I think this sight is probably most appropriate for runners/coaches.
Now as for my own insights I'll pretty much stand by what I posted earlier. I've run against St.Francis quite a few times this year, and when their coach lets them off the leash they are better than Wheaton or Northridge. As someone who ran in Glenbard South regional on saturday, I can assure you none of the runners on the top 3 teams were giving it 100% effort. This is more likely than not the case for all the top teams in each region because the coaches have their guys on specific programs meant to have them peaking in the coming 2 weeks.
Now to explain why I like St.Francis in the #2 hole this saturday; In a meet way back in september called the charger classic,my team had the pleasure of being rolled by them that day. their #1/2 were both sub 16. McKnight was 15:15 that day I believe. Their 3-4 were both sub 17, and their 5 was in the mid 17's. I believe the results can be found on this site if you have the time.
As for Northridge/Wheaton I think run4fun said it, but it definitely can't be ignored that they were breathing down St.Francis back saturday. That being said I'd say that their #5's are going to hurt them especially Wheaton's. Which is why I have them as 3/4.
As for 5 I would give the nod to Lemont, but I know nothing more about them then the regional results on saturday. Where the times are difficult to discern because the course was 2.92 miles.
As for my comments about Walter Lutheran, Uhigh, and Latin; 1) Walter Luther's top 2 of 15:58 and 16:38 can't be ignored and a #3 of 16:49. To me that is a dangerous team. Admittedly their 4/5 need to step up, but crazier things have happened.
As for Uhigh/Latin; They're both city schools that not much is known about at all. However, they both traditionally have quality teams and runners. I don't believe I actually said either would be a top 5 team merely trying to say that they're spoiler teams who's runners will sneak in ahead of the top tier teams 3-5runners and might make it impossible for a team like Wheaton to edge out St.Francis for the #2 spot.
thats all I got sorry for the long message just wanted to justify some of my earlier comments and make amends for my earlier comments.
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Post by strauss32 on Oct 24, 2007 17:04:16 GMT -5
yall is crazy...its gunna be between illiana and walther lutheran...we may be yung but we got fresh talent..walther shuld prolly get top 10 maybe top \5 at state looking at regionals it shows that your 4 and 5 runners look like they will be in the 18s on saturday. you wont be able to get 2nd in this sectional with that. |
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Post by strauss32 on Oct 24, 2007 17:04:52 GMT -5
What time do u think an individual will need to run to make it to state? Do u think that 16:40 will make it to state? 16:30ish |
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