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Post by run4fun on Oct 24, 2007 17:06:37 GMT -5
To answer a couple questions that seem have gotten lost in the shuffle. 7 individuals advance to state, as for what times will get these individuals to state. I would probably say the range would be between 15:50-16:30. Not sure if it's a fast course or what the conditions will be like on saturday which makes it tough to predict.
Then to respond to some other comments, that charger invite was on sept 22nd 2007 and it was a full 3 miles. To clarify the times McKnight 15:15, Diamond 15:42, 16:48,16:57, and 17:22. Wheaton was also at that meet but Phillips didn't run that day... You have to believe that if they were running those times a month ago that they're going to have a ton in the tank for this saturday.
I personally like McKnight to take it all. Great thing is we can say all we want but the race has to be run.
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Post by muffnman on Oct 24, 2007 17:39:05 GMT -5
Illiana Wheaton St Francis Lemont Wheaton Academy Bremen/Walther Lutheran/Northridge Chicago U-High
Illiana is the class here. WSF needs their 5th man to come up big, narrow ing their 1-5 split of 1:46 Lemont needs solid 4-5 runs to match their top 3. 1-5 split of 1:09 Wheaton Academy needs a huge race from #5. 1-5 split of 2:28 might be a killer. Bremen needs all 5 to actually run. If they do, they could surprise many. 1-5 split of :50 seconds. If all 5 run, could be 20 seconds. Walther Lutheran has to have 4-5 come way up to help ther 1-2-3 punch. 1-5 split of 2:11 Northridge needs 3-4-5 to drop some big time,. 1-5 split of 1:51 Chicago U-High looks to be a bit off the pace right now. But, they have a great coach with state experience, so who knows. 1-5 split of :57 GBS - looks a little young this year. But they also have a state tested coach. 1-5 split 1:04
As usual it will come down to the 4-5-6 guys and who gets the best performances. On paper, based off of several calculations, I see it this way: Illiana Wheaton -St Francis Lemont Bremen Northridge/Walther Lutheran in a tie. Wheaton Academy out by 3 points.
Something interesting is that at their conference meet, Illiana put 3 runners in front of Walther Lutheran's #1. If that happens again, that might be too much for them to overcome.
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Post by bleepbop on Oct 24, 2007 19:01:12 GMT -5
Illiana Wheaton St Francis Lemont Wheaton Academy Bremen/Walther Lutheran/Northridge Chicago U-High Illiana is the class here. WSF needs their 5th man to come up big, narrow ing their 1-5 split of 1:46 Lemont needs solid 4-5 runs to match their top 3. 1-5 split of 1:09 Wheaton Academy needs a huge race from #5. 1-5 split of 2:28 might be a killer. Bremen needs all 5 to actually run. If they do, they could surprise many. 1-5 split of :50 seconds. If all 5 run, could be 20 seconds. Walther Lutheran has to have 4-5 come way up to help ther 1-2-3 punch. 1-5 split of 2:11 Northridge needs 3-4-5 to drop some big time,. 1-5 split of 1:51 Chicago U-High looks to be a bit off the pace right now. But, they have a great coach with state experience, so who knows. 1-5 split of :57 GBS - looks a little young this year. But they also have a state tested coach. 1-5 split 1:04 As usual it will come down to the 4-5-6 guys and who gets the best performances. On paper, based off of several calculations, I see it this way: Illiana Wheaton -St Francis Lemont Bremen Northridge/Walther Lutheran in a tie. Wheaton Academy out by 3 points. Something interesting is that at their conference meet, Illiana put 3 runners in front of Walther Lutheran's #1. If that happens again, that might be too much for them to overcome. Your rankings seem one of the most accurate so far. Personally, I believe that Bremen has a strong top 3 but the 4 and 5 need to stick with the third man. I ran against Northridge and I must say that they looked strong. Now, I haven't seen Walther but I bet they have a strong team also. My rankings: Illiana St. Francis Lemont Northridge Bremen/ Walther/ Wheaton Acadamy/ Glenbard 1. Larson 2. Either Bremen/ Walther/ Wheaton Individual 3. Either Bremen/ Walther/ Wheaton Individual 4. Medero (Guerin) 5. Either Bremen/ Walther/ Wheaton Individual 6. Either Bremen/ Walther/ Wheaton Individual 7. Burke (Country Club Hills), Miller (Me, Glenbard), Verma (U-High) Just my rankings anyway. Just like to say, that even though I am biased towards my team, I believe that Glenbard could take the last spot down to state. It all comes down to who runs best that day, and frankly, any one of about 8-9 teams could end up going. Though Wheaton Acadamy did beat us at regionals, it helped get us more incentive to run better, mentally and physically. I went down with the Glenbard team my freshmen year when we were ranked 1st in state. I can say that anything can happen because we ended up 6th. I ran as 7th man last year when we had only a slim chance of making it out of the sectional. We infact defeated a few teams ranked many places ahead of us. It all comes down to sectionals, and anything can happen to any of the teams listed and probablly some suprises for those teams unmentioned (CChils, U-High).
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Post by muffnman on Oct 24, 2007 19:25:54 GMT -5
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Your rankings seem one of the most accurate so far. Personally, I believe that Bremen has a strong top 3 but the 4 and 5 need to stick with the third man. I ran against Northridge and I must say that they looked strong. Now, I haven't seen Walther but I bet they have a strong team also.
My rankings:
Illiana St. Francis Lemont Northridge Bremen/ Walther/ Wheaton Acadamy/ Glenbard
1. Larson 2. Either Bremen/ Walther/ Wheaton Individual 3. Either Bremen/ Walther/ Wheaton Individual 4. Medero (Guerin) 5. Either Bremen/ Walther/ Wheaton Individual 6. Either Bremen/ Walther/ Wheaton Individual 7. Burke (Country Club Hills), Miller (Me, Glenbard), Verma (U-High)
Just my rankings anyway. Just like to say, that even though I am biased towards my team, I believe that Glenbard could take the last spot down to state. It all comes down to who runs best that day, and frankly, any one of about 8-9 teams could end up going. Though Wheaton Acadamy did beat us at regionals, it helped get us more incentive to run better, mentally and physically. I went down with the Glenbard team my freshmen year when we were ranked 1st in state. I can say that anything can happen because we ended up 6th. I ran as 7th man last year when we had only a slim chance of making it out of the sectional. We infact defeated a few teams ranked many places ahead of us. It all comes down to sectionals, and anything can happen to any of the teams listed and probablly some suprises for those teams unmentioned (CChils, U-High).[/quote]
Well, I am giving an objective view of all the teams. I'm not favoring or hoping one way or the other. You must not have see Hillcrest too much. You are overweighing what they can do. I'm not disrespecting them, I've just been able to see them run and see their results over the year, and I just don't see the time jumps necessary to cut through some of these other teams. Can your team drop enough time? They have a better shot than Hillcrest does.
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Post by bleepbop on Oct 24, 2007 20:03:45 GMT -5
I would like to say we will. I know I will try my best, my goal is to stick with a certain individual i believe i am capable of running with. I hope other runners on my team will take the initiative to stick with each other (our 4 and 5 man sticking with our third runner). I really hope we make it down. I was on the bus ride home from state my freshman year when my team underperformed, it was one of the worst 4 hours of my life. Id rather not make it to state knowing that I ran the best I could of, and knowing that my team did the best they could. I know what all the runners are capable of, I just don't know how their best matches up to everyone else. I would really like to qualify as an individual if we don't make it down as a team (but the team goal is and will always be first), but I don't see my current time qualifying me down. If i run and pr, and don't make it down, I won't regret it. If i run an o.k race however, it's a different story.
I can say with confidence that I'm there mentally at the moment, but i'm not sure about my team. It's kinda taboo over motivating your teamates to much.
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Post by rollercoaster on Oct 26, 2007 10:49:43 GMT -5
Well - good luck to all this weekend.
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Post by strauss32 on Oct 26, 2007 16:43:30 GMT -5
Well - good luck to all this weekend. ditto
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Post by irun11 on Oct 26, 2007 17:52:18 GMT -5
i am impressed that iptt did not even mention wheaton academy in their previews for this section, putting teams like latin in. i guarantee W.A. will place their top 4 ahead of latin's best guy, ive seen both run
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Post by strauss32 on Oct 26, 2007 18:11:33 GMT -5
does anyone know how the races will be run tomorrow? i heard the 2A races were going to be early and 3A were going to start around 1:00pm because they didnt want a lot of people there. is that true or will they run all girls first then guys or something.
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Post by bleepbop on Oct 26, 2007 19:47:00 GMT -5
does anyone know how the races will be run tomorrow? i heard the 2A races were going to be early and 3A were going to start around 1:00pm because they didnt want a lot of people there. is that true or will they run all girls first then guys or something. Girls AA- 9 am Boys AA- 10 am
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Post by muffnman on Oct 26, 2007 21:46:57 GMT -5
does anyone know how the races will be run tomorrow? i heard the 2A races were going to be early and 3A were going to start around 1:00pm because they didnt want a lot of people there. is that true or will they run all girls first then guys or something. Girls AA- 9 am Boys AA- 10 am Girls AAA 1pm Boys AAA 2pm
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Post by run4fun on Oct 27, 2007 13:45:52 GMT -5
1)Illiana 2)St.Francis 3) Northridge 4)Lemont tie5/6: Wheaton/Uhigh
Pure guts race today by all runners. Congratulations once again to the Uhigh team and Wheaton Academy. Their coaches always seem to get the most out of their runners at the biggest races. Good luck at state. Illiana looked pretty strong today, perhaps a top 10 threat down at state.
Congrats to all seniors on four great years. Keep on running.
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Post by run4fun on Oct 27, 2007 13:51:31 GMT -5
Also just took a look back at some of the posts and predictions by other people on this site. Need to give the props out to 07runner. I was definitely among the skeptics on some of the things he said, but he stood his ground with his predictions inspite of some criticism from pretty much everybody. Good call on Uhigh being a threat 07, along with giving St.Francis the credit they deserved going into the race. Also Lemontxc really nailed it with his predictions. So great job there guys, gotta give people the props who deserve it.
See y'all down state next weekend.
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Post by rollercoaster on Oct 27, 2007 14:54:43 GMT -5
Good race by all. Congratulations to all that qualified.
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Post by strauss32 on Oct 27, 2007 15:16:42 GMT -5
it was nuts that the last individual qualifying time was under 16:15. everyone awesome today and good luck to all of the teams that advances again. a quick question on the 5th place tie. why didnt they look at their 6th runner?
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Post by bcxc on Oct 27, 2007 15:21:12 GMT -5
07 Runner, I am however, no random fan. Running is in my blood, because as I have mentioned, both my father and grandfather were exceptional runners. I am confident I can provide better insights then some inexperienced high school runner, such as yourself. For example, it is utterly incomprehensible to place Wheaton St. Francis as the obvious #2, when clearly, they are not as dominant when compared to Wheaton Academy, Lemont, nor Northridge. Secondly, you are foolish enough to think that U-High and Walther Lutheran both have a chance at claiming a top five spot. That is absurd. I have also been in touch with Bremen's coach, who assured me he was letting his boys take it easy, so that they will be well rested come sectionals. Do you have these connections with coaches 07 Runner? I fathom not. . In the words of Chancellor Palpatine: "Your arrogance blinds you". WSF was the #2 and U-High tied for 5th and would have made it had their been a tie-braker w/ wheaton. I did not predict this; i did not attempt to predict this. Nothing is certain. People have good and bad days and I cannot see where you get off making proclamations with such certainty. Whether you have "runner's blood" or not, you should get off your high horse and respect those around you. Everyone else on this forum does. In response to strauss32's question, my coach told me that IHSA states that if there's a 5th place tie, both teams go (which is nice). Congrats to all who ran today.
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Post by strauss32 on Oct 27, 2007 15:31:23 GMT -5
thanks for the info. i think its good that they do that. if the 2 teams ran that close where theres a tie after 5, i agree that they should both advance. honestly i thought that uhigh was going to maybe place 7th. but they showed up ready and did very well.
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Post by bleepbop on Oct 27, 2007 16:08:10 GMT -5
Yea, Everyone ran great!
It is pretty unbelievable that the qualifying timed were that fast! A lot of teams are young and should be a threat next year also.
Congrats to everyone again, y'all ran a great race!
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Post by rollercoaster on Oct 27, 2007 18:51:44 GMT -5
Yea, Everyone ran great! It is pretty unbelievable that the qualifying timed were that fast! A lot of teams are young and should be a threat next year also. Congrats to everyone again, y'all ran a great race! Cobgrats Miller. You ran a great race and your team ran well with you.
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Post by rollercoaster on Oct 27, 2007 18:52:30 GMT -5
thanks for the info. i think its good that they do that. if the 2 teams ran that close where theres a tie after 5, i agree that they should both advance. honestly i thought that uhigh was going to maybe place 7th. but they showed up ready and did very well. Good run Strauss. You and your teammates ran very well today. Represent SSC Blue next week.
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Post by strauss32 on Oct 28, 2007 0:24:21 GMT -5
thanks rollercoaster. a few people could have had times down a little but we made it. i thought the wind was a killer on the 3rd mile. hopefully we will all be able to step it up 1 more notch and do well at state. what team are you from?
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Post by xc123 on Oct 28, 2007 1:34:16 GMT -5
i am impressed that iptt did not even mention wheaton academy in their previews for this section, putting teams like latin in. i guarantee W.A. will place their top 4 ahead of latin's best guy, ive seen both run Well, the results on the ihsa website are screwed up for W.A. and uhigh, but I'm guessing that Wheaton did not have their top four under 16:36, which was latin's number one. Just throwing that out there. Regardless, all the runners ran awesome. So, congrats to everyone and good luck in the future!
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Post by uhxc on Oct 28, 2007 2:31:57 GMT -5
U HIGH MAkES IT. OBSERVE MY EARILER MESSAGE. I TOLD YOU GUYS I TOLD YOU. U HIGH WAS JUST WHAT I TOLD U, A GOOD PACK TEAM WITH GREAT HEART. NICE JOB U-HIGH YOU DID IT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!111111...pleae reply..i know it was not really a legit sectional but common U-High did all that they could and reallly ran great
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Post by strauss32 on Oct 28, 2007 9:39:13 GMT -5
U HIGH MAkES IT. OBSERVE MY EARILER MESSAGE. I TOLD YOU GUYS I TOLD YOU. U HIGH WAS JUST WHAT I TOLD U, A GOOD PACK TEAM WITH GREAT HEART. NICE JOB U-HIGH YOU DID IT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!111111...pleae reply..i know it was not really a legit sectional but common U-High did all that they could and reallly ran great nice job uhxc and your team. just remember now that you have another race. it seems like you were doing backflips of joy while typing that. good luck at state, well see you there
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Post by bleepbop on Oct 28, 2007 16:04:02 GMT -5
Yea, Everyone ran great! It is pretty unbelievable that the qualifying timed were that fast! A lot of teams are young and should be a threat next year also. Congrats to everyone again, y'all ran a great race! Cobgrats Miller. You ran a great race and your team ran well with you. Thanx u 2~!
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Post by bcxc on Oct 28, 2007 17:32:29 GMT -5
Just so people know, the times on the ihsa website for uhigh are wrong. The actual u-high times were:
Philip Verma (Sr) 16:14 Jon Worcester (Fr) 16:46 Jarus Singh (Sr) 16:54 Max Wagner (Jr) 16:55 Don Traubert (Jr) 17:19 Ben Buchheim-Jurrison (Fr) 17:20 Kevin Brunke (Jr) 17:54
Interesting to note that the #1 and 2 school have the least good splits and the #5 has the best. SCHOOL TOP 5 SPLIT PLACE 1) U-High 1:05 5 2) Northridge 1:09 3 3) Lemont 1:16 4 4) Illiana 1:30 1 = W St F 2 6) Wheaton 1:43 6 (if tiebreaker)
QUESTION: Is the team score the total number of points AfTER the advancing individuals are removed?
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Post by 800man on Oct 28, 2007 19:56:37 GMT -5
Just so people know, the times on the ihsa website for uhigh are wrong. The actual u-high times were: Philip Verma (Sr) 16:14 Jon Worcester (Fr) 16:46 Jarus Singh (Sr) 16:54 Max Wagner (Jr) 16:55 Don Traubert (Jr) 17:19 Ben Buchheim-Jurrison (Fr) 17:20 Kevin Brunke (Jr) 17:54 Interesting to note that the #1 and 2 school have the least good splits and the #5 has the best. SCHOOL TOP 5 SPLIT PLACE 1) U-High 1:05 5 2) Northridge 1:09 3 3) Lemont 1:16 4 4) Illiana 1:30 1 = W St F 2 6) Wheaton 1:43 6 (if tiebreaker) QUESTION: Is the team score the total number of points AfTER the advancing individuals are removed? Maybe they had the "least good splits" because they ( IC and WSF) had the first three finishers . And most likely their 4th and 5th were still in before UHighs and Wheaton Academy's. A tight 1-5 pack doesn't always mean alot, expecially if you are not way up front.
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Post by 800man on Oct 28, 2007 20:00:08 GMT -5
[/quote]Well said. The regionals were all pretty weak overall. In a more competitive meet I would estimate Wheaton-ST Francis will seperate more from Wheaton Academy and Northridge.
So Ill CHristian and WSF battle for 1st and 2nd while spots 3-5 will be between Northridge, Wheaton Academy, Lemont, Walther Lutheran, GBS, Bremen, and U high maybe even in that order.
You hate to say it but it is really going to come down to which teams #4 and #5 show up the strongest.[/quote]
Well, I only missed U high and I said earlier I didn't know much about them. And Lemont moved up 1 spot. Otherside I had it dead on.
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Post by run4fun on Oct 28, 2007 20:32:16 GMT -5
The man who had it right was lemontxc. Everybody else seemed to have a general feel for how things were going to go. Only guy who was really off was Tim, but somebody already let him have it so I'll just let it go.
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Post by banned idiot on Nov 14, 2007 1:08:19 GMT -5
I think my school was fifth in sectionals this year, I didn't run this year because I'm new from Quigely. Does anyone know what place northridge came in?
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