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Post by awrunner on Nov 1, 2007 12:00:39 GMT -5
You can think you want about Nick Holmes: His first state meet was last year...he blew up. Going into it he had ran 14:59 for his best. This year, he did not race hard very many times when he did 14:24, 14:46, 14:29. Has not lost a race to an Illinois runner this year. That is why I wouldn't look for the same results!
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Post by moocher on Nov 1, 2007 12:14:27 GMT -5
My predictions from my gut nothing else. 1.Sycamore 3 in the top 15 beats everyone and 4,will be top 30 5,6 in the top 50 2.Uhigh they have been the 2nd best team all season in my eyes 3.Illiana Christian senior loaded team will get it done 4.Yorkville If 5 runs like he did last week and Tanis gets back to early season form they could trophy. 5.Springfield Just because 6.Dixon they didn't run well at sectionals (They followed the white line unlike some teams who beat them) 7.Blvd. North 8.Metamora 9.Crystal Lake Central they won't have 5 guys in the lead this week 10.Wheaton St. Francis
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Post by 800man on Nov 1, 2007 12:41:27 GMT -5
My predictions from my gut nothing else. 1.Sycamore 3 in the top 15 beats everyone and 4,will be top 30 5,6 in the top 50 2.Uhigh they have been the 2nd best team all season in my eyes 3.Illiana Christian senior loaded team will get it done 4.Yorkville If 5 runs like he did last week and Tanis gets back to early season form they could trophy. 5.Springfield Just because 6.Dixon they didn't run well at sectionals (They followed the white line unlike some teams who beat them) 7.Blvd. North 8.Metamora 9.Crystal Lake Central they won't have 5 guys in the lead this week 10.Wheaton St. Francis I like some of your picks. CLC is a team that can trophy or be 9th or 10th. I think they will be close to Illiana Christian except for their 5th man. Those two teams match up very well to that point, but I just have a hard time putting IC that high, I think SPringfield is much better up front than IC. Oh well, it's all for fun anyway, we'll see what they all do on Saturday. At least next year we will have a baseline to start with for AA. Several of the top teams are very young too ( ie. Belv North, Kaneland )
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Post by cyron10k on Nov 1, 2007 13:25:01 GMT -5
All equations aside, Holmes has actually run much faster than the "adjusted" time. I'm sure he just cruised the sectional course. The others haven't actually run those times for a full three miles. But it should still be a great race! As I looked at Holmes reg-sect performance last year, it seems consistent with this year with exception to what everyone thinks he will do at state, which is much much better (+70/s) My questions are: What happen to him last year to finish so poorly? Was he injured or something? Why could we not expect a similar blow-up this year as did last year? To answer your questions, he had a poor race at state last year. Blame it on whatever you want. He ran well at regionals and sectionals and then went for it at state and ran poorly. Inexperience? Off day? Training? It is what it is. Because it happened ONE time, that doesn't make it a pattern. I know he's changed some things in training. He's a year older, more mature physically and mentally, and has a full year of additional training. He raced well the one meet he ran against the toughest competition and beat Havel. He ran an almost equal time solo at conference. He hasn't had to work to get through regionals and sectionals. You can hope for the big "collapse" because thats the ONLY way anybody will have a chance to beat him.
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Post by runningfan on Nov 1, 2007 13:41:06 GMT -5
As I looked at Holmes reg-sect performance last year, it seems consistent with this year with exception to what everyone thinks he will do at state, which is much much better (+70/s) My questions are: What happen to him last year to finish so poorly? Was he injured or something? Why could we not expect a similar blow-up this year as did last year? To answer your questions, he had a poor race at state last year. Blame it on whatever you want. He ran well at regionals and sectionals and then went for it at state and ran poorly. Inexperience? Off day? Training? It is what it is. Because it happened ONE time, that doesn't make it a pattern. I know he's changed some things in training. He's a year older, more mature physically and mentally, and has a full year of additional training. He raced well the one meet he ran against the toughest competition and beat Havel. He ran an almost equal time solo at conference. He hasn't had to work to get through regionals and sectionals. You can hope for the big "collapse" because thats the ONLY way anybody will have a chance to beat him. Wow, did I stike a nerve? Sorry bout that, just asking some simple questions as I dont know anything about him other than past records. I hope everyone performs at their best ability. But to hear some people talk, perhaps we should just send Holmes staight to the awards podium since the AA race will be for the best team (s) and the second best individual.
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Post by doctorwu on Nov 1, 2007 14:29:34 GMT -5
Moocher and 800 Man--- You saw my predictions above. I will stick with them - 3 Belvidere Sectional Teams in Top 5. Your Bias towards Il Christ and Springfield shows.--- they could pull a top 5 with an exceptional race, but will have to work to get past 7... Good Luck at States
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Post by dbandre on Nov 1, 2007 15:31:24 GMT -5
Springfield and Illiana Christian should both be in the Top 5.
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Post by badkarma96 on Nov 1, 2007 19:51:33 GMT -5
Springfield and Illiana Christian should both be in the Top 5. I agree with you there. Springfield is a top-three threat in my opinion. They have a nice pack and if they race well I think they can string their top-5 between 15:15-15:55. It may not be enough to win but I think it will be enough to bring home a trophy.
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Post by qcyrunner on Nov 1, 2007 21:15:12 GMT -5
As I looked at Holmes reg-sect performance last year, it seems consistent with this year with exception to what everyone thinks he will do at state, which is much much better (+70/s) My questions are: What happen to him last year to finish so poorly? Was he injured or something? Why could we not expect a similar blow-up this year as did last year? To answer your questions, he had a poor race at state last year. Blame it on whatever you want. He ran well at regionals and sectionals and then went for it at state and ran poorly. Inexperience? Off day? Training? It is what it is. Because it happened ONE time, that doesn't make it a pattern. I know he's changed some things in training. He's a year older, more mature physically and mentally, and has a full year of additional training. He raced well the one meet he ran against the toughest competition and beat Havel. He ran an almost equal time solo at conference. He hasn't had to work to get through regionals and sectionals. You can hope for the big "collapse" because thats the ONLY way anybody will have a chance to beat him. Definitely concur here! Race is for second.
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Post by illinijeff on Nov 2, 2007 10:07:12 GMT -5
Here goes...
Nick Holmes to win going away.
TJ McMorrow and Blake Brooks top ten.
Metamora trophies.
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Post by benmanion on Nov 2, 2007 12:27:55 GMT -5
I would say that Centralia is at least 40 seconds slower than detweiler. It is a fun course to run and one of my all time favorite courses. The course is somewhat narrow and you cannot run more than a few guys wide. There are a number of turns which always slows the time down as well.
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Post by 800man on Nov 4, 2007 9:43:19 GMT -5
I would say that Centralia is at least 40 seconds slower than detweiler. It is a fun course to run and one of my all time favorite courses. The course is somewhat narrow and you cannot run more than a few guys wide. There are a number of turns which always slows the time down as well. Wow, Props to Chatham-Glenwood and Belvidere North ( Nice job AJ ( all state)). This was unbelievably close. 12 points seperates 2 from 6th. 3rd place was by 1 point. Sycamore sectional lived up to its billing putting 4 in top ten. But the surprise was Chatham, great run by Neal Anderson and the Springfield sectional coming up big 2nd 4th, and 13th. The disappointing sectional Peoria their best at 7th place. Chicago sectional did as expected 1 in top 10.
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Post by 800man on Nov 4, 2007 9:46:45 GMT -5
As I looked at Holmes reg-sect performance last year, it seems consistent with this year with exception to what everyone thinks he will do at state, which is much much better (+70/s) My questions are: What happen to him last year to finish so poorly? Was he injured or something? Why could we not expect a similar blow-up this year as did last year? To answer your questions, he had a poor race at state last year. Blame it on whatever you want. He ran well at regionals and sectionals and then went for it at state and ran poorly. Inexperience? Off day? Training? It is what it is. Because it happened ONE time, that doesn't make it a pattern. I know he's changed some things in training. He's a year older, more mature physically and mentally, and has a full year of additional training. He raced well the one meet he ran against the toughest competition and beat Havel. He ran an almost equal time solo at conference. He hasn't had to work to get through regionals and sectionals. You can hope for the big "collapse" because thats the ONLY way anybody will have a chance to beat him. Great run by Holmes. Is he entered in any of the Post season races ( Mid east chamiponships or Footlocker )? I sure hope so this guy has more to show.
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Post by xcnumberthree on Nov 4, 2007 10:22:22 GMT -5
Holmes definately has more to show. someone heard him say at the meet that he would have run a 14 flat if there was competition yesterday
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Post by 800man on Nov 5, 2007 14:46:31 GMT -5
Holmes definately has more to show. someone heard him say at the meet that he would have run a 14 flat if there was competition yesterday Well, he's certainly not lacking any confidence. Good luck to him, hopefully we'll see him at FLMW and FLN.
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